RANT + How Much is Too Much?

[f1eng]

I will no longer comment on why I call it a wreck because a car that does not move is a car that wears out considerably (especially with a battery).

I looked into the battery situation when mine was stuck in storage for months last year without a 12V battery.
It seems that as long as the battery is neither fully charged or fully discharged deterioration is negligible. I imagine Porsche knows this so will store at 50% and disconnected.
We also don’t know how long batteries and cells have been stored between production and assembly into battery pack/car anyway but this will probably be short.

It seems the thing most influencing battery life is the amount of charge, ie if you use the car a lot so have frequent long charges the battery life is used up - it is mileage related.
The other influence is charge current, so if you mainly charge at high powered DC chargers the battery deterioration will be greater than if you mainly trickle charge at home.

So as long as the car is stored with the battery at a correct charge level the battery will be in better condition than a used one which has done a few thousand miles and been charged a lot on a high power DC charger.

I decided it wasn’t worth bothering about for me.

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[Kev946]

I looked into the battery situation when mine was stuck in storage for months last year without a 12V battery.
It seems that as long as the battery is neither fully charged or fully discharged deterioration is negligible. I imagine Porsche knows this so will store at 50% and disconnected.
We also don’t know how long batteries and cells have been stored between production and assembly into battery pack/car anyway but this will probably be short.

It seems the thing most influencing battery life is the amount of charge, ie if you use the car a lot so have frequent long charges the battery life is used up - it is mileage related.
The other influence is charge current, so if you mainly charge at high powered DC chargers the battery deterioration will be grater than if you mainly trickle charge at home.

So as long as the car is stored with the battery at a correct charge level the battery will be in better condition than a used one which has done a few thousand miles and been charged a lot on a high power DC charger.

I decided it wasn’t worth bothering about for me.

There is other things damaged by the prolonged storage. Tyres and paintwork in particular plus of course the expensive 12v battery.

 

[whitex]

There is other things damaged by the prolonged storage. Tyres and paintwork in particular plus of course the expensive 12v battery.

So you expect your Taycan to have damaged paintwork after having spend 6 months parked by your home and work? Do you think driving periodically speeds up or slows down paint damage (vs. parked)? Note that in this case these care are actually prepped for transport, with large body panels having protective material on them too.

Bottom line by the way, you can reject the car if the dealer delivers it with damaged paintwork, tires, whatever. 12V battery is under warranty.

 

[Kev946]

So you expect your Taycan to have damaged paintwork after having spend 6 months parked by your home and work? Do you think driving periodically speeds up or slows down paint damage (vs. parked)? Note that in this case these care are actually prepped for transport, with large body panels having protective material on them too.

Bottom line by the way, you can reject the car if the dealer delivers it with damaged paintwork, tires, whatever. 12V battery is under warranty.

Chill. Why get so uptight. This is my problem not yours and it is me who makes the decision on how to deal with this problem and the impact of accepting this car.

I intend on having a full PPF. This becomes much more work if the car has been standing for 6 months. I will also be keeping my car garaged and when it is outside it has the PPF to protect the paintwork. So yes leaving a car outside gives me issues. Also tyres flat spot when left standing in one position for prolonged times. All tyre manufacturers suggest taking the weight off tyres when in storage for long times. Who knows what other damage is done leaving a car for 6 months outside and not moving.

Then there is the issue that this is a MY23 which will be delivered when MY24 cars are shipping. Another reason to cancel and order a new MY24 and yes I know it will cost more but will be worth more in the long run regarding residuals.

As far as rejection goes, the car is late, the dealer is out of contract so I can get a full refund.

 

[f1eng]

Chill. Why get so uptight.

My dear fellow you are by far the most wound up poster on this forum recently IMO, others are just trying to clam you down a bit by assuaging your fears.
But suit yourself, we all know what you’ve decided

 

[Kev946]

My dear fellow you are by far the most wound up poster on this forum recently IMO, others are just trying to clam you down a bit by assuaging your fears.
But suit yourself, we all know what you’ve decided

Correct I am livid about the situation. I'm not the only one. Arguing with me isn't helping unfortunately. I'm literally loosing sleep over this issue trying to decide whether to cancel or wait. The longer this mess goes on the more I am swaying towards cancelling. I've given the dealer this week and next then pretty sure I will cancel. It's a shame as this is not the dealers fault. They have been great to me.

 

[Koen_dr]

So you expect your Taycan to have damaged paintwork after having spend 6 months parked by your home and work? Do you think driving periodically speeds up or slows down paint damage (vs. parked)? Note that in this case these care are actually prepped for transport, with large body panels having protective material on them too.

Bottom line by the way, you can reject the car if the dealer delivers it with damaged paintwork, tires, whatever. 12V battery is under warranty.

It's actually the protective material that could potentially damage the paint underneath if it's left on for longer periods of time than it's design purpose. It's designed as a protective foil for a 'short' transportation period from factory to dealer.

And like others stated, the very expensive 12V battery will also suffer and so will the tyres.

 

[f1eng]

Correct I am livid about the situation. I'm not the only one. Arguing with me isn't helping unfortunately. I'm literally loosing sleep over this issue trying to decide whether to cancel or wait. The longer this mess goes on the more I am swaying towards cancelling. I've given the dealer this week and next then pretty sure I will cancel. It's a shame as this is not the dealers fault. They have been great to me.

I had a very similar experience last year.

I am an engineer mainly involved in motor racing but with a, probably, better than average understanding of how road cars work too.

I was pretty disappointed by the experience and ended up with a MY22 car delivered after plenty of MY23 cars went to customers.

It was a bit crap but since there is pretty well nothing of consequence between MY22 and MY23 except more expensive, and I keep a car I like a long time plus there was no other car I wanted - no Taycan I wouldn’t bother with a new car at all.

I am glad I didn’t cancel and after 17 ½ months of excitement > resignation > irritation > research about battery > resignation again on to be a happy owner..

 

[Kev946]

I had a very similar experience last year.

I am an engineer mainly involved in motor racing but with a, probably, better than average understanding of how road cars work too.

I was pretty disappointed by the experience and ended up with a MY22 car delivered after plenty of MY23 cars went to customers.

It was a bit crap but since there is pretty well nothing of consequence between MY22 and MY23 except more expensive, and I keep a car I like a long time plus there was no other car I wanted - no Taycan I wouldn’t bother with a new car at all.

I am glad I didn’t cancel and after 17 ½ months of excitement > resignation > irritation > research about battery > resignation again on to be a happy owner..

Good to know you are happy. I am having second thoughts about owning a Taycan TBH. Of course re cancelling it's different in France. There are still MY23 allocations available to order to in April ad May. I even know of a MY24 allocation which must be a pushed out MY23. Taycans don't sell as well as in the UK. So It's perfectly feasible to cancel my order and get another MY23 quicker than waiting for my heaterless Taycan.

 

[f1eng]

I am having second thoughts about owning a Taycan TBH

I did too but IMHO there is genuinely no equivalent on the market, so if no Taycan I’d stick with what I have already.

 

[Scandinavian]

Good to know you are happy. I am having second thoughts about owning a Taycan TBH. Of course re cancelling it's different in France. There are still MY23 allocations available to order to in April ad May. I even know of a MY24 allocation which must be a pushed out MY23. Taycans don't sell as well as in the UK. So It's perfectly feasible to cancel my order and get another MY23 quicker than waiting for my heaterless Taycan.

I know you and all others are very disappointed about this situation. I absolutely agree with you that the total radio silence from Porsche is a disgrace. This is unfortunately typical of Porsche though, when there is any hiccups and it might cost them money. I have had 4 Porsches and all from a new to market model and experienced issues every time. They hid their heads in the sand just like an ostrich.

I can fully well understand that you might look at cancelling your present order, but I do not believe that a promise for a new allocation will not put you in exactly the same situation. Is there any guarantee that these allocations will have a heater, plus the risk of potentially further supply chain issues?? Maybe the wiring harnesses of the car??

If you decide to cancel, I would have a close look at what new cars are available in the showrooms in France, or perhaps importing from Germany. There are a few around but a compromise with the spec you want.

The Taycan is a fantastic car when it all works, but there has been a lot of troubles with being an early adopter. But there are more alternatives in the market now!

 

[f1eng]

But there are more alternatives in the market now!

Which ones?
I didn’t see any alternative to CT myself, for the saloon there is the mechanically identical Audi E-Tron GT, I suppose, but it didn’t drive as well IME.

 

[Kev946]

I know you and all others are very disappointed about this situation. I absolutely agree with you that the total radio silence from Porsche is a disgrace. This is unfortunately typical of Porsche though, when there is any hiccups and it might cost them money. I have had 4 Porsches and all from a new to market model and experienced issues every time. They hid their heads in the sand just like an ostrich.

I can fully well understand that you might look at cancelling your present order, but I do not believe that a promise for a new allocation will not put you in exactly the same situation. Is there any guarantee that these allocations will have a heater, plus the risk of potentially further supply chain issues?? Maybe the wiring harnesses of the car??

If you decide to cancel, I would have a close look at what new cars are available in the showrooms in France, or perhaps importing from Germany. There are a few around but a compromise with the spec you want.

The Taycan is a fantastic car when it all works, but there has been a lot of troubles with being an early adopter. But there are more alternatives in the market now!

Thank you good advice. I've looked at what there are new available now and there is very little. I guess this will not change with not many cars being delivered at the moment.

I'm now thinking if I really want a Taycan to wait for a MY24 allocation. This heater mess should have been sorted by then but of course there could always be another similar issue.

 

[Scandinavian]

Which ones?
I didn’t see any alternative to CT myself, for the saloon there is the mechanically identical Audi E-Tron GT, I suppose, but it didn’t drive as well IME.

Yes the drive in the Taycan is superb. But the Audi GT is not too shabby either.

and if you want more like an estate car I think the new Audi A6 Avant looks good. But then gain you will probably miss the drive of the Taycan.

The rest seem to be more SUV models, which are not to everyone’s liking either. I do like the looks of the new Lotus suv though!

 

[f1eng]

Yes the drive in the Taycan is superb. But the Audi GT is not too shabby either.

and if you want more like an estate car I think the new Audi A6 Avant looks good. But then gain you will probably miss the drive of the Taycan.

The rest seem to be more SUV models, which are not to everyone’s liking either. I do like the looks of the new Lotus suv though!

It was the Audi E-Tron GT I drove first and was massively underwhelmed, it felt big and clumsy. It put me off even trying a Taycan though months later when the CT came out it suited my requirements so I had a test drive and was flabbergasted how much better it was on the roads around here, it felt smaller and nimble, despite not being, I placed an order a couple of days later.

The Audi A6 doesn’t seem to have an EV version as far as I can tell.

So still waiting for any alternative, never mind many!

If the Taycan didn’t exist there isn’t a single new car I’d bother to buy.

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