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No confusion. That's exactly what I concluded after this experiment. If you are saying I should have known this already, I certainly don't see anywhere in the manual that says that. I was wondering if there was _any_ scenario where the car would stop charging at less than 100% at a DC fast charger.
Ah, I didn’t realize you got it figured out after the experiment. I drove an Audi Etron SUV a month ago where you could set a cut off value when DC fast charging. No such thing on the Taycan in any scenario (unless you count a charging error at EA ?).
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Ah, I didn’t realize you got it figured out after the experiment. I drove an Audi Etron SUV a month ago where you could set a cut off value when SC fast charging. No such thing on the Taycan in any scenario (unless you count a charging error at EA ?).
Good to know about the Etron. I believe Porsche should have this feature also. Seems like an easy OTA update.
 

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You are quite confused. In the charge planner when you set the charge at destination, that is the desired SoC of your vehicle when you reach your destination. It has nothing to do with how much you want to charge your vehicle. DC charging will always keep charging until you stop it or until 100%.
You'd think the Porsche app would notify you though when you reached the desired SoC, right? It doesn't. That said, all the same, since the desired SoC by the charge planned can be really off (my worst case was over 25% off - car thought I'd arrive at 35% SoC, I arrived well under 10%, and that was feather throttling and slowing down the last 10 miles). To be fair, about 1500 miles into the 3,500 mile road-trip, the estimate got much better. But, for trips under 1,500 miles, I would be very cautious with the charge planner, as it will use stats from every-day driving to plan a trip, which may be very different driving and energy usage.
 

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Good to know about the Etron. I believe Porsche should have this feature also. Seems like an easy OTA update.
Tesla has one more trick up its sleeve. If the charger happens to be very busy, when you plugin there, the car automatically sets the target DC SoC to 80%, with a message explaining to customers that it's because the charger is busy and after 80% the charging slows down. You can override this max if you so desire, but they don't explicitly mention that in the message, which I think is a good thing - most people don't need more than 80%, and those who do will try to change the limit (same way they set their own limits, no tricks required) and will get what they need.
 

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Charging the battery over 85% once in a while does not stress the battery. Leaving it above that level for some time isn’t ideal and shouldn’t be done often. That’s it.

Porsche was very very conservative with the battery and its 10kWh buffer. So 0% is never really empty and 100% is never really full.
 


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Can the DC charging be stopped manually from the Charger App or Porsche App.
I do not have mine yet, so very sorry for asking may be the obvious.
I had a loaner and had to charge at EA station, near a restaurant.
I was watching it charge on the EA App, then I remember that I could stop it manually when it reached desired SOC. I assume at that point, idling fees would apply but that would be fine with me. I was the only one charging with plenty of stalls available, but if someone would be waiting, then I would not have any problem going out and parking it at a regular parking spot.
Typically not, you cannot control the DC charging session with the Porsche App in most scenarios - largely dependent on if you can initiate the charge from the app in the first instance. In UK / Europe we are provided with a Taycan Charge card (RFID) to initiate most Porsche EVSEs (Porsche or affiliated) Other provider's apps may support this - Shell, ESB, ChargePlace Scotland etc.

If not, only option is manually from the EVSE or the charge port button on the car.
 

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You'd think the Porsche app would notify you though when you reached the desired SoC, right? It doesn't. That said, all the same, since the desired SoC by the charge planned can be really off (my worst case was over 25% off - car thought I'd arrive at 35% SoC, I arrived well under 10%, and that was feather throttling and slowing down the last 10 miles). To be fair, about 1500 miles into the 3,500 mile road-trip, the estimate got much better. But, for trips under 1,500 miles, I would be very cautious with the charge planner, as it will use stats from every-day driving to plan a trip, which may be very different driving and energy usage.
I feel a lot of topics are confused here

- AC charging (for most of us this means at home)
- You charge smart (HEM via API) or direct
- Slider% caps maximum charge
- the timer settings are only used if you don’t have a HEM and need to set a charging window manually. They have nothing to do with how much you charge, only within which window. And a allowed direct override for minimum guaranteed level.

- DC charging
- App setting / timers don’t matter, always charges direct
- Soc on arrival is in combination with charge planner (charge planner service in nav)

It’s all in the manual, people giving there own interpretations, or not calling out they are talking AC or DC, only confuse the topic
 

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So upon the suggestion, I went back and read the manual. It's not particularly informative. Seems a lot of it was written by the lawyers. The charging part is jammed as an afterthought into the "Mobility and Minor Repairs" section, putting charging in the same category as the proper use of fix-a-flat!

Clearly, the complicated profiles and timers are meant for level 2 at home, which I now understand. I was naively ticking the "optimized charging" box but learned that feature doesn't do anything without an installed device at your electrical panel called a Porsche Home Energy Manager (HEM). For me, I believe I have a 40 amp panel margin at all times, and no preferred charge times, so I don't need any of that. But I see how one would.

And indeed, there is no way to limit the state of charge with public DC fast chargers - perhaps they will fix this OTA someday. In a 30-minute session, when I run into the mall, I can easily charge well beyond 85%, depending on several factors such as battery temperature and initial SOC. I'd like not to have to monitor the SOC on my phone. I understand the arguments about getting in and out of the fast charger, so maybe a reliable 80% or 85% phone notification is the right answer. It would get me back to the car and off the charger even sooner, and at least the battery isn't stressed if I'm not going on an immediate trip.

I tried the charge planner to see if it would stop charging at the required SOC. I set the Charge Plan to give an 80% SOC at the destination, then I set the destination to be a DC charger, and set out with less than 80%. The charge planner and the EA DC fast charger both showed 15 minutes to get to the 80%. The EA charger shows a "line" in the charge level display at 80%. like it knows when to stop. But when it got to 80%, it happily kept charging. No phone notice. The EA app, on the other hand, does provide a feature to notify at a SOC, but we don't use this for the Porsche plug-n-charge.
HEM - not limited to Porsche and so any can be used. This then becomes useful if you want to mix your charging with grid and solar power.

DC charging - nothing to 'fix' - you may not like the operation but it is how it is for good reason.

Charging planner does not control the start or end time of charging session on route - that's not what it is intended or designed to do. The intent is to minimise your charging time at each stopover based on available EVSEs (which must exist in the database and to pre-condition your battery on arrival at each stopover - meaning you may well pass other EVSEs you could stop at).

Glad that you decided to invest some time in reading the manual - logically, charging is placed in a section entitled 'Mobility & Minor Repairs' under subsection 'Charging' - several pages (4,933 words) worth.
 


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- the timer settings are only used if you don’t have a HEM and need to set a charging window manually. They have nothing to do with how much you charge, only within which window. And an allowed direct override for minimum guaranteed level.
This is not correct. Timers are also used and useful in combination with a HEMS. E.g. it allows to charge with the lowest cost if you have different tariffs at different times, eg day and night tariffs or different tariffs with different power levels drawn from the grid
 

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I feel a lot of topics are confused here

- AC charging (for most of us this means at home)
- You charge smart (HEM via API) or direct
- Slider% caps maximum charge
- the timer settings are only used if you don’t have a HEM and need to set a charging window manually. They have nothing to do with how much you charge, only within which window. And a allowed direct override for minimum guaranteed level.

- DC charging
- App setting / timers don’t matter, always charges direct
- Soc on arrival is in combination with charge planner (charge planner service in nav)

It’s all in the manual, people giving there own interpretations, or not calling out they are talking AC or DC, only confuse the topic
My comment you quoted was purely about DC. AC charging settings are even more confusing in a Tyacan, and while I can make sense of them as an engineer, it's next to impossible to explain thoroughly it to a regular car user (as evidenced by a number of threads here) That said, I don't use timers, or any profiles outside of the general profile which has only one purpose in my Taycan, charge at the rate the Tesla wall connector tells you to charge until 85% SoC, then stop. I use Tesla wall connector since it gives my Taycan up 19.2KW while balancing with my wife's Tesla in the garage. HEM is not a available in the USA, plus I doubt Porsche would say they support charging a non-Porsche vehicle from any Porsche charger (Porsche has refused to support PMC+ or PMCC not charging other J1772 vehicles).
 

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Tesla has one more trick up its sleeve. If the charger happens to be very busy, when you plugin there, the car automatically sets the target DC SoC to 80%, with a message explaining to customers that it's because the charger is busy and after 80% the charging slows down. You can override this max if you so desire, but they don't explicitly mention that in the message, which I think is a good thing - most people don't need more than 80%, and those who do will try to change the limit (same way they set their own limits, no tricks required) and will get what they need.
I'm guessing this only works on Tesla's Supercharging Network rather than generically across any and all EVSE operators?
 

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This is not correct. Timers are also used and useful in combination with a HEMS. E.g. it allows to charge with the lowest cost if you have different tariffs at different times, eg day and night tariffs or different tariffs with different power levels drawn from the grid
Why should you need timers if you are using HEM? You'd think different tariffs are tied to a location, as is HEM, so it should be a function of the Home Energy Manager to manage a particular location. If you needed to allow one car to charge at peak times but not other, it should still fall under HEM domain, not the car.
 

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This is not correct. Timers are also used and useful in combination with a HEMS. E.g. it allows to charge with the lowest cost if you have different tariffs at different times, eg day and night tariffs or different tariffs with different power levels drawn from the grid
Not in my case, we have a variable hour rate, where the price differs any of the 24h.
a set timer then limits the window of possible charging. Where prices outside that window might be cheaper that day. I don’t set timers every day. My settings need to be “set and forget”
charge whenever the HEM says it’s the cheapest and when charging, go up to 85% max.
 

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I'm guessing this only works on Tesla's Supercharging Network rather than generically across any and all EVSE operators?
Your assumption is correct. All the rest of the EVSE operators do not have such an option.
 
 








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