Range with performance pack

[W1NGE]

I wanted to circle back in this thread about range of my performance battery plus. I have now driven about 1800 miles. I am only getting about 222 Miles when I charge to 100% which is approximately 10% less than what is claimed for this battery pack … right?
I am curious what others here are getting for the same battery pack. Can you please share?

Search the other threads on the same topic as this has been discussed ad nausea.

Folks in US in the warmer parts typically get more range than most.

Range readings were adjusted downwards in most cases post 2022 uPdate which was a major software upgrade to all cars to bring them to MY23 software spec.

Bottom line is that range in general is not stellar with 225 - 250 being the median to hope for.

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[Tesla2Taycan]

Search the other threads on the same topic as this has been discussed ad nausea.

Folks in US in the warmer parts typically get more range than most.

Range readings were adjusted downwards in most cases post 2022 uPdate which was a major software upgrade to all cars to bring them to MY23 software spec.

Bottom line is that range in general is not stellar with 225 - 250 being the median to hope for.

oops! I thought this thread was the right one based on the title. I’ll check the other threads but thanks for clarifying.
It has been cold here since I got the car so I suppose I’ll see how the range is once it gets warmer.

 

[Tesla2Taycan]

I get about the same or slightly lower. A lot depends on your spec, how you drive, and temps.

Temp makes sense.
how does driving style affect max range?

 

[Archimedes]

Temp makes sense.
how does driving style affect max range?

Aggressive driving will hurt range. There will also be variance due to city vs highway driving.

 

[f1eng]

how does driving style affect max range?

PMFJI but pretty well exactly the same as with IC engined cars with the small difference that heavy braking isn't as lossy.

High speed cruising hurts range because of aerodynamic losses and tyre rolling resistance - this is much reduced in traffic where the slipstream effect is considerable.

Lots of heavy acceleration then braking uses more energy (but less in an EV than IC engine).

Overall the differences between what you are used to with an IC engine and EV are tiny (though there has always been less obsession with range in discussion of IC engined cars).

My 1991 Mercedes 500E, which I bought new and like , gives about 350 miles on a tankful of fuel when driven fairly gently or less then 200 miles when pressing on, for example.

 

[Tesla2Taycan]

PMFJI but pretty well exactly the same as with IC engined cars with the small difference that heavy braking isn't as lossy.

High speed cruising hurts range because of aerodynamic losses and tyre rolling resistance - this is much reduced in traffic where the slipstream effect is considerable.

Lots of heavy acceleration then braking uses more energy (but less in an EV than IC engine).

Overall the differences between what you are used to with an IC engine and EV are tiny (though there has always been less obsession with range in discussion of IC engined cars).

My 1991 Mercedes 500E, which I bought new and like , gives about 350 miles on a tankful of fuel when driven fairly gently or less then 200 miles when pressing on, for example.

Maybe I should clarify…

thank you for the detailed replies but I am not asking how much driving range you get. I understand that depends on my driving style.

I am asking what range is projected by the car when charge state hits 100%

 

[f1eng]

Maybe I should clarify…

thank you for the detailed replies but I am not asking how much driving range you get. I understand that depends on my driving style.

I am asking what range is projected by the car when charge state hits 100%

In mine that varies depending on driving history and weather IME, mine was 190 when I was doing a fair few short journeys in winter, increased to 250 when I was doing normal journeys in Spring then dropped again to 220 after a 130 mile trip in pouring rain on 70% motorway going fairly quickly and is now showing 230.
I don’t know how the historical data is weighted in the calculation but it is certainly taken into consideration.

So how you drive has a significant influence on the range projected by the car each time it calculates expected range.

 

[gtm]

Maybe I should clarify…

thank you for the detailed replies but I am not asking how much driving range you get. I understand that depends on my driving style.

I am asking what range is projected by the car when charge state hits 100%

The projected range displayed by the car is calculated based on your recent driving habits (I think it uses the past 375 miles). My car showed 282 miles of range the one time I charged to 100%. I've been semi babying the car as it's not fully broken in yet and local temps are relatively high, hence the higher calculated range displayed. Look at your trip data on the app. You are probably getting around 2.7miles/kWh which would calculate to the 222 miles your are seeing displayed. Chances of your calculated range displayed matching the EPA range are slim but not impossible and wouldn't stay matching for long.

 

[W1NGE]

Maybe I should clarify…

thank you for the detailed replies but I am not asking how much driving range you get. I understand that depends on my driving style.

I am asking what range is projected by the car when charge state hits 100%

Depending on battery size, ambient and AC settings anywhere between 190 and 300 miles I'd say.

If you search the forum there are folk in Florida who have photo evidence of exceeding 300 miles of range.

In summary, a lottery really.

 

[Tesla2Taycan]

The projected range displayed by the car is calculated based on your recent driving habits (I think it uses the past 375 miles). My car showed 282 miles of range the one time I charged to 100%. I've been semi babying the car as it's not fully broken in yet and local temps are relatively high, hence the higher calculated range displayed. Look at your trip data on the app. You are probably getting around 2.7miles/kWh which would calculate to the 222 miles your are seeing displayed. Chances of your calculated range displayed matching the EPA range are slim but not impossible and wouldn't stay matching for long.

This is super helpful.
Ohhhh I did not realize the projected range is also dependent on driving style.
When is the car considered broken in?

 

[irrelevant]

I don't pay any attention to the projected range in any EV. I watch the miles/KWh. That's what really matters when trying to cover a long distance. Multiply your miles/KWh x 83.7 KWh for a more accurate max range.

We're currently running 3.1 miles/KWh in our Turbo, on the standard 20" Turbo Aero wheels. That works out to 260 miles.

Temperature, precipitation, parking location (garaged or not), driving style, trip distance, and wind are all variables that will impact range. Give it time and you'll get comfortable with it.

 

[gtm]

This is super helpful.
Ohhhh I did not realize the projected range is also dependent on driving style.
When is the car considered broken in?

On your Tesla the displayed range is capacity times the EPA figure of miles/kWh. In a Tesla a battery that didn't degrade would always show the same range with a full charge no matter how you drive. Porsche considers your driving habits and probably the battery temp when calculating the displayed range. I'm talking about the displayed range after charging. When using the route planner a lot of other factors are supposedly taken into account. Porsche is probably giving you a more accurate real world estimate of range since they base it on your recent driving habits. But go from a long distance trip to local driving and Porsche's estimate is going to be off. Both systems work if you understand the logic behind them and, as @irrelevant said, know your efficiency in miles/kWh terms.

How long is the break-in period? I'm referring to mechanical break-in. Less of an effect in an EV vs ICE but motors, "transmissions", wheel bearings, axles all will "loosen up" as the car is driven. I can't find it now but I believe Porsche states 3,000 km. Mostly I'm just driving as efficiently as is reasonable to get a feel for what I can expect range wise, no launching it yet, no attacking a back road. Break-in sort of takes care of itself and efficiency should improve slightly as it does.

 

[Archimedes]

I don't pay any attention to the projected range in any EV. I watch the miles/KWh. That's what really matters when trying to cover a long distance. Multiply your miles/KWh x 83.7 KWh for a more accurate max range.

We're currently running 3.1 miles/KWh in our Turbo, on the standard 20" Turbo Aero wheels. That works out to 260 miles.

Mine is the exact opposite. The range estimator tracks almost dead on my actual mileage, while the miles per kWh statistic in the PCM overstates my actual range.

 

[W1NGE]

This is super helpful.
Ohhhh I did not realize the projected range is also dependent on driving style.
When is the car considered broken in?

Around 725 miles braking recuperation becomes available and then with a couple of '000 miles on the clock your estimated range should start to stabilise (all other factors impacting this always apply).

I'm not convinced the estimate reflects driving style before turning a wheel. In 2.5 years I've seen no evidence on my estimate to support.

Main factors are ambient, driving mode selected, battery temp, AC setting and wheel size.

 

[f1eng]

When is the car considered broken in?

There is really only one big step and that is when the software decides the brakes are bedded in and starts to use recuperation braking.

This seems to depend on the software evaluating the braking history, so probably a bit like the range calculation, takes actual use into account.

It may well depend on whether you have cast iron, plated or composite brakes.
My car started recuperative braking after about 400 miles (cast iron discs) and that was a step up in efficiency.

I am not aware of any other significant breaking in parameter.

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