New Porsche batteries coming with 800 mile range

[Bertibasset]

My Taycan was just delivered to the dealership, which is exciting, but I read that Porsche is coming out with a battery with 800 mile range (that will revolutionize the industry). Should I refuse to buy the car I ordered and wait until the new battery is released? I feel as if I'm buying a car that will be obsolete right after I buy it. How could I possibly resell such a car at a decent price?https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-evs-coming-with-800-mile-range-and-15-minute-recharge-time

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[daveo4EV]

My Taycan was just delivered to the dealership, which is exciting, but I read that Porsche is coming out with a battery with 800 mile range (that will revolutionize the industry). Should I refuse to buy the car I ordered and wait until the new battery is released? I feel as if I'm buying a car that will be obsolete right after I buy it. How could I possibly resell such a car at a decent price?https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-evs-coming-with-800-mile-range-and-15-minute-recharge-time

I've been doing the EV game now since 2011 - this sort of "break through" has been a theme of the automotive press since 2011 - and so far we're still dealing with LiON at about the same densities we had in 2011…

• I'll believe it when I see it on a vendor price sheet with delivery dates
• this sort of stuff takes forever to make it to market
• it's been a year or two away since 2011…

 

[jvdsanden]

My Taycan was just delivered to the dealership, which is exciting, but I read that Porsche is coming out with a battery with 800 mile range (that will revolutionize the industry). Should I refuse to buy the car I ordered and wait until the new battery is released? I feel as if I'm buying a car that will be obsolete right after I buy it. How could I possibly resell such a car at a decent price?https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-evs-coming-with-800-mile-range-and-15-minute-recharge-time

Then you will never buy a Porsche, because after this 800miles range, the car will deliver selfdrive one your later, and the they will increase the range with another technology to 1200miles and you have to wait again 3 years, and so on, and so one... Ik hope they can offer me a battery change to this new technology at that time. So that I enjoy my car today till whatever......

 

[daveo4EV]

also I find it very very very unlikely we'll see 800 mile EV's - more likely we will see "300" mile EV's that are smaller/lighter - increasing battery density means you can carry around 100 kWh of capacity in less volume/weight (which will go farther due to the lower weight/volume) - it's a virtuous cycle.

I highly doubt the product design team/engineering will just shove these new cells into the same physical size battery "package" we currently have in the Taycan - now if I can get "capacity" into a "smaller/lighter" package (also increasing range) and can achieve 5-7 mi/kWh - I only need 60 kWh batteries to achieve 350 miles range…and boom we're talking 800 hp EV's that are 500-1000 lbs lighter than their ICE gas car equivalent's - also it lower's cost to only have to provision 30-40 kwh batteries across more vehicles…

Taycan's battery is currently about 1,500 lbs?? and 93 kWh raw capacity and about 3 mi/kwh (real world on my 2020 Taycan Turbo) - so of that capacity is for 'buffers' to accomodate LiON cell chemistry

hmmm - what could be done with a 525 lbs battery 60 kWh "raw" capacity saving 1000 lbs gross vehicle weight but keeping about the same range or more due to increased efficiency and lower vehicle weight.

EVERYTHING gets better if you can lower the weight - range, efficiency, costs, performance, vehicle capacities volume/cargo, design, production volumes, reliability, running costs. consumables (tires) - there is almost no benefit to a 800 mile EV - but there is huge benefit to a 325-375 mile range EV that weighs 1000 lbs less…

higher density = smaller & lighter (same range) - not just brute force more range

it will be interesting to see what this does to:

• gross vehicle weight
• total battery capacity
• mi/kWh efficiency (allowing smaller capacity batteries)
• total range - 320-450 miles is sufficient
• charging times
  • charing times are even shorter if a batteries full capacity is only 60 kWh but still a 350 mile vehicle due to lower weight and increased efficiency
  • 10 min stop anyone for 375 miles range?

again I really honestly doubt you're shipping batteries with higher density and just shoving them into the existing battery tray's - no it will be opportunities to strengthen other parts of EV design with out losing range…

 

[or1]

@f1eng, I believe the cost of a battery replacement present-day is $40K+. For me, assuming whatever next-generation battery tech is of a similar cost, it would be hard to justify spending what might be more than half of the car's depreciated value. One could trade in the old car and add that same amount of cash to get the latest model with that next-gen battery technology incorporated.

This is mostly speculation, whether it is one way or the other. But as an illustration, I had a premium boat a number of years, and I thought it was well worth extending the life of it by giving it new engines.

An old Taycan could definitely be a parallel, just that it is about batteries not engines. A Taycan is not a 911, but still: think old 911s and how many engines they may have run through.

It will cost a bit, but may be worth it.

 

[Amelio]

Same here! 7 years for me, one of the most enjoyable things we’ve purchased next to my first house. Now if it only held its value like that house did!

As a lifelong petrolhead I’ve been enjoying EV’s for nine years - glad I didn’t wait for the next best thing!

 

[MHC]

In September 2016 I bought a Tesla model x only to learn two weeks later that 2017 teslas would be equipped with full self driving hardware. I immediately traded my 2016 model for a 2017 model with FSD at a cost of 30k. 5 years later the self driving feature was not much better than my 2016 autopilot. I agree with the others if you like the car now buy it . Don’t wait for something that may come sometime in the future. Also the initial models when they do come will likely carry a premium for the new technology and may suffer some bugs. Ask some of the 2020 Taycan owners about issues with their original cars. It took Porsche about a year to work the bugs out.

 

[daveo4EV]

2750 lbs 210 mile range AWD for Porsche Boxster S with 650 HP and zero to sixty in 2.1 seconds? and 8 min charging time anyone?

that's what is going to happen with solid state batteries.

 

[Tooney]

also I find it very very very unlikely we'll see 800 mile EV's - more likely we will see "300" mile EV's that are smaller/lighter - increasing battery density means you can carry around 100 kWh of capacity in less volume/weight (which will go farther due to the lower weight/volume) - it's a virtuous cycle.


EVERYTHING gets better if you can lower the weight - range, efficiency, costs, performance, vehicle capacities volume/cargo, design, production volumes, reliability, running costs. consumables (tires) - there is almost no benefit to a 800 mile EV - but there is huge benefit to a 325-375 mile range EV that weighs 1000 lbs less…

higher density = smaller & lighter (same range) - not just brute force more range

Yes.
And those lighter EVs will prevent UK parking garages from collapsing: UK Experts Think Heavy EVs Might Cause the Collapse of Old Parking Garages

 

[Caraholic]

My Taycan was just delivered to the dealership, which is exciting, but I read that Porsche is coming out with a battery with 800 mile range (that will revolutionize the industry). Should I refuse to buy the car I ordered and wait until the new battery is released? I feel as if I'm buying a car that will be obsolete right after I buy it. How could I possibly resell such a car at a decent price?https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-evs-coming-with-800-mile-range-and-15-minute-recharge-time

we are a very long way away from that battery to be released. You will get the full use out ofyour incoming Taycan before that is even announced in a vehicle

 

[Bognar67]

Who the hell really need 800-mile range(?)

- Give me (either less than) half, with half weight.

 

[satchurator]

This is mostly speculation, whether it is one way or the other. But as an illustration, I had a premium boat a number of years, and I thought it was well worth extending the life of it by giving it new engines.

An old Taycan could definitely be a parallel, just that it is about batteries not engines. A Taycan is not a 911, but still: think old 911s and how many engines they may have run through.

It will cost a bit, but may be worth it.

That is a fair point. I do wonder how our gen 1 Taycans will be viewed in 5-10 years. A classic that is worth owning?, or an 'obsolete' technology platform?

 

[f1eng]

That is a fair point. I do wonder how our gen 1 Taycans will be viewed in 5-10 years. A classic that is worth owning?, or an 'obsolete' technology platform?

If it is going to be considered a classic it will be in more than 5 to 10 years.
The valuable 356s of today were slow and obsolete 10 years old.

 

[or1]

That is a fair point. I do wonder how our gen 1 Taycans will be viewed in 5-10 years. A classic that is worth owning?, or an 'obsolete' technology platform?

Possibly too many of them to be a classic. But I do think mine is remarkable engineering and styling. Except for this range-and-weight thing for the batteries, I expect it to be enviably good for my use for a long time. (I mostly keep a car for long anyway.)

I certainly don’t desire more autonomy tech that may come in new models. Not until full true self-driving, but a Taycan-like package is not what I would want then. Imagine an old Taycan for active driving and a whatever for transport.

 

[AndiL]

Maybe we should clarify the article. It says:

"In the medium term, we can expect the combination of new anode chemistry and dense packaging of the cells to allow a vehicle range of 1,300 km (800 miles)," says Prof. Maximilian Fichtner, Director of the Helmholtz Institute Ulm (HIU) and Head of the Energy Storage Systems research unit at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT).

So this is not a statement from Porsche that they will release a product with this range, but an estimation of a professor working on battery technology. Clearly saying that such a range can be expected in the medium term. Whatever medium term means in the end.

There is no doubling in range just coming over night or within a year. The improvements will be gradual.

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