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Would anybody like a setting which emulates the uneven power delivery in IC engines?

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It seems almost like trolling but I have been surprised that some members have talked about the power delivery of their IC engined sports cars in glowing terms, as if their characteristics, which are objectively inferior, were, to them, subjectively superior.

The reason IC engines are very limited is to do with getting oxygen through them. No point in putting fuel in unless there is Oxygen to burn it so really and IC engine is all about how much air you can get through it.

With NA engines we have a balance between wide power band and less power with high peak power over a narrower band. This is entirely due to the physics of the gas flow through the engine and optimising valve overlap, valve timing and tuning inlet and exhaust manifold lengths to use resonance.

This inevitably means that a sporty engine starts off with low power, increases rapidly to a peak where the valve timing and manifold resonance come together then runs out of revs leading to the typical acceleration surges in each gear.

Given an electric motor has none of these major limitations it I wonder if some may like to have a setting emulating this characteristic. I am not sure how easy to programme but I am sure some simulated gearshift torque drops and power build up would be possible and a sport sound to go with it to make it sound like a classic too.

It would be obviously be slower, because it is with same power IC engined cars, because they only have that power briefly in each gear, rather than as long as the temperature is OK, but it would allow a characteristic which some seem to really like.
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Had a Macan on loan yesterday while my Taycan was at the dealer. The main thing I noticed was the uneven power deliver, constant gear shifts, and generally wobbly sound of an ICE engine. After six years with EVs there is no way I want the ICE experience again. (Plus I had to go to a petrol station and those really stink.)
 

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I remember the Ferrari California T, which was one of the first turbo engine variants for a modern Ferrari of that type, had a map to specifically reduce power to make the driver work the gears and revs more naturally. In my opinion it worked well and the car was a more sporting drive, than feel like a big diesel barge with endless torque.

I think a clever map to replicate the experience of an IC would be a lot of fun myself.
 


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The main reason I switched to EV was how enjoyable the torque curve was so no for me.

Just feed in the throttle slowly and you have your emulation.
 

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No but I would like a switch that emulates consistant brake feel from an ice car.
 
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I think a clever map to replicate the experience of an IC would be a lot of fun myself.
If it was just an option on the steering wheel switch it would be fun for those that fancy it and no loss for those that don’t.
If I had it I’d certainly try it if only to see how the holes in the power delivery feel on direct comparison.
I don’t have the faux sound though.
 


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No but I would like a switch that emulates consistant brake feel from an ice car.
Take it to the dealer, mine has really impressive and consistent brakes so it isn’t inevitable.
 

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It seems almost like trolling but I have been surprised that some members have talked about the power delivery of their IC engined sports cars in glowing terms, as if their characteristics, which are objectively inferior, were, to them, subjectively superior.

The reason IC engines are very limited is to do with getting oxygen through them. No point in putting fuel in unless there is Oxygen to burn it so really and IC engine is all about how much air you can get through it.

With NA engines we have a balance between wide power band and less power with high peak power over a narrower band. This is entirely due to the physics of the gas flow through the engine and optimising valve overlap, valve timing and tuning inlet and exhaust manifold lengths to use resonance.

This inevitably means that a sporty engine starts off with low power, increases rapidly to a peak where the valve timing and manifold resonance come together then runs out of revs leading to the typical acceleration surges in each gear.

Given an electric motor has none of these major limitations it I wonder if some may like to have a setting emulating this characteristic. I am not sure how easy to programme but I am sure some simulated gearshift torque drops and power build up would be possible and a sport sound to go with it to make it sound like a classic too.

It would be obviously be slower, because it is with same power IC engined cars, because they only have that power briefly in each gear, rather than as long as the temperature is OK, but it would allow a characteristic which some seem to really like.
Nothing wrong with nostalgia. I'm sure that the same folks who like using a dial-app on their smart phones would appreciate an ICE button on their EVs!
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Nothing wrong with nostalgia. I'm sure that the same folks who like using a dial-app on their smart phones would appreciate an ICE button on their EVs!
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Nightmares enabled. The horror of letting that little dial go just a hair too early and having to start all over again ?
 

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The engine in my 996 failed about a year ago. I decided to have it rebuilt, and it’s been a very long process. I absolutely can’t wait to drive it again (should be soon), but it’s because of the entire experience - the gear shifting, the “surprise” or rather the anticipation of reaching peak torque, the noise sound aural experience of it all, coupled with the feedback of the gearshift in action. That is, it’s not the peaky aspect of power delivery that I miss, but that it is all “an occasion”/a performative act. It would feel distasteful for any of these aspects to be fake/simulates. I never used the paddle shifters on the Macan, for instance. So, long answer to say “eff no”.
 

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It's obviously incredibly silly, but I could see it as an easter egg type of feature. For that matter, I think it would be nice overall if we had a significantly more fine tuned control over the acceleration curve.

For a company priding itself on their high amount of customization and racing legacy, the Taycan has a weird lack of configurability of the driving characteristics.
 

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For a company priding itself on their high amount of customization and racing legacy, the Taycan has a weird lack of configurability of the driving characteristics.
What would those be, “fast”, “slow” and “surprise me”?

I’d think predictability and consistency are essential in driving. However, some say it’s Porsche’s lack of software prowess behind this glaring gap in functionality.
 
 








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