Porsche reveals first-ever 911 hybrid sports car, starting at $164,900

[kempez]

It's funny really now that cars just seem so slow and ponderous nowadays. I had a Macan S loaner recently (heater recall, plus brake pedal software update), and it just seemed slooooooow. The engine felt incredibly unresponsive and underpowered for the car. But I think I've been hugely spoiled by the Taycan

My 997 911 on the other hand: seems to be fast compared to the Macan. Maybe it's because I feel like I'm 'properly' driving when I have it.

Anything other than an electric car for a daily driver now seems like craziness to me.

Interesting developments on this new 911. And a little tidbit that 911 sales went up YoY last year too. I think once we see battery tech that keeps the weight down, then we will see an electric 911.

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[RoseyPSU]

And the manual is gone…

So happy I guessed right and pulled the trigger when my 2024 GTS allocation came up. Turns out, I'll have one of the last manual GTS Targa's (or any manual Targa for that matter) to roll off the assembly line later this summer.

 

[Jhenson29]

So happy I guessed right and pulled the trigger when my 2024 GTS allocation came up. Turns out, I'll have one of the last manual GTS Targa's (or any manual Targa for that matter) to roll off the assembly line later this summer.

I hear you. My ‘23 GTS Cab is a manual. ?

 

[Caraholic]

Interesting to say the least but these 911’s are far to expensive now a days. Would also hate to see the recalls or after warranty problems this system will create.

 

[andb]

Pricing of new cars is insane, a nicely optioned AMG GT 43 is 150k euro with a 4-cyl engine, people must be stupid to pay that.
Porsche also took AMG route with cost cutting here and there, interior of a base Carrera is no better than an A4.

 

[andb]

How does that work?
Lag is due to the time it takes for boost to build up in the inlet tract, nothing other than spinning up the turbo quicker, like this one uniquely does, that I have ever heard of can do this if you are already at full throttle.

Pressing the sport response button in my hybrid Panamera drops down 2-3 gears and delivers maximum electric power, so lag is greatly reduced. Its the most aggressive driving mode available for only 20 seconds.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

I found this to be interesting (and i grabbed a couple of interesting screenshots). It’s a much better car than the NSX (or the eray, or any other competitors), and as f1eng pointed out, it’s the first application of an e-turbo in civilian cars. Porsche can charge whatever they can get away with (and it’s not about interiors).

 

[Vercingetorix]

I found this to be interesting (and i grabbed a couple of interesting screenshots). It’s a much better car than the NSX (or the eray, or any other competitors), and as f1eng pointed out, it’s the first application of an e-turbo in civilian cars. Porsche can charge whatever they can get away with (and it’s not about interiors).

Not the first for an E-turbo, first for an h-turbo? E-turbos in street cars have been around for while.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1127892_deep-dive-here-s-how-audi-s-electric-turbocharger-works

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Not the first for an E-turbo, first for an h-turbo? E-turbos in street cars have been around for while.

My bad/abusing of the term.

 

[amelen]

Always wanted a 911 Turbo Cab but hard to go to anything else after an EV. I wonder if the 911 GTS solution is enough to make it feel like an EV, hmm.

 

[f1eng]

Pressing he sports response button in my hybrid Panamera drops down 2-3 gears and delivers maximum electric power, so lag is greatly reduced. Its the most aggressive driving mode available for only 20 seconds.

Using electric power to fill in turbo lag is an excellent technique used in hybrids, but it is masking the lag of the turbo engine, which is still there.
Having a motor/generator coaxial with the turbo has been part of Formula 1 power unit rules since 2014, this is the first time I've seen it on a road car.
The generator is used instead of a wastegate to use the power in the exhaust even after full boost is reached - charging a battery, then when the throttle is opened when the engine is off boost it spins the turbo up way quicker than the exhaust can, about 4 times faster in this case, considerably reducing lag of the IC engine and in this installation there is an electric motor in the gearbox which can probably totally mask the lag.
It is brilliant to see this on a road car, I find turbo engines pretty disappointing up to now.

The other thing, of course, is the very narrow power band of an IC engine meaning most of the time that you are not driving flat out the engine itself is way outside its good power band, so a rapid gearshift reduces the delay in getting going also in the case of your Panamera IC engine.

 

[tigerbalm]

It is brilliant to see this on a road car, I find turbo engines pretty disappointing up to now.

Any speculation on why it has taken so long? Surely a modest electric motor inside the turbo isn't that surprising or difficult a thing to pull off?

 

[TAYC4S]

Seeing how Ferrari did a pretty good job with 296 allowing 15 miles of electric range I was also expecting similar figures from Porsche. I don't see this hybrid engine as a big improvement over the previous one, ok its a bit faster and more responsive but way more expensive.



So annoying to see that, good that Porsche has push-to-pass button to remove lag, really helpful when you need instant response.

The 296 is truly amazing. It shocked me how good it was. Amazing response, smooth, really adaptable and amazingly fast steering considering so much is “by wire” - throttle, gearing, brakes etc. Ferrari really have a gem there although of course its a completely different use case…

 

[f1eng]

Any speculation on why it has taken so long? Surely a modest electric motor inside the turbo isn't that surprising or difficult a thing to pull off?

The two reasons it is quite expensive is the speed and the heat.

Even the compressor runs hot, the F1 ones used to be over 200C and boost is more now and on the other side the turbine probably near 1000C when flat out (which admittedly road cars almost never are) so hotter than electric machines like and over 100,000 rpm which makes balancing and resistance to bursting a non-trivial engineering exercise I would guess.

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