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[daveo4EV]

Yipes, that sounds even worse for EA that I would have thought along corridors like that.
Perhaps somewhat related, EA still has not published its final investment cycle report to EPA for the 49 states, even though that cycle started this past July.
By contrast, the CA-only report for CARB was published back in October -- of 2023.

it's apparently the equipment stupid!!

just had a 5* experience with a 350 kW EA site - Grand Canyon visitor center - 6 350 kW stalls - worked flawlessly - worked fast - "just worked" - great location…

this site has the uni-cord "new" chargers and they appear to suck way way less than the sh*t-for-brains ABB dual cord units - if all EA sites worked this well I wouldn't give a rats ass about supercharger other than when they were someplace I needed and EA wasn't - so apparently it is possible for EA to have a good charging site with equipment that isn't a test of one's patience and sanity…

unfortunately for me no charging speed test cause battery temp & SOC were not conducive to high speed charging…oh well maybe next time!

now all we need to do is get to install these bad boy's at all their sites!!

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[Jonathan S.]

Here’s how those brand new chargers are faring at the recently reopened EA in West Lebanon NH:

 

[Jonathan S.]

Three weeks in and EA still can’t get those four new 350 kW working properly in West Lebanon NH:

 

[thecoloradokid]

Three weeks in and EA still can’t get those four new 350 kW working properly in West Lebanon NH:

You are complaining about one single solitary site out of hundreds. Jesus, dude, there has to be more to life than complaining on the internet about a single solitary charging location.

Meanwhile, over the Thanksgiving week I drove from Denver to Salt Lake City for a work meeting, then drove to Vegas to see my Kansas Jayhawks beat Duke in mens basketball at the T-Mobile Arena, then drove to Scottsdale to see friends for Thanksgiving, and then finished off the week by driving from Scottsdale to Denver last Saturday in 14hrs. That is a little more than 2,150miles, or 3,400 Kms, through 5 states where I used 11 different legacy Electrify America 350kW chargers for 20 or 25 minute charging sessions with absolutely no waiting and only one instance where the charger in Beaver, UT timed out while connecting, but worked when I disconnected and then plugged back in.

Hopefully, my comments on my very successful +2,000 mile road trip over the Thanksgiving week does not distract you from your OCD monitoring of a single solitary EA location.

 

[daveo4EV]

You are complaining about one single solitary site out of hundreds. Jesus, dude, there has to be more to life than complaining on the internet about a single solitary charging location.

Meanwhile, over the Thanksgiving week I drove from Denver to Salt Lake City for a work meeting, then drove to Vegas to see my Kansas Jayhawks beat Duke in mens basketball at the T-Mobile Arena, then drove to Scottsdale to see friends for Thanksgiving, and then finished off the week by driving from Scottsdale to Denver last Saturday in 14hrs. That is a little more than 2,150miles, or 3,400 Kms, through 5 states where I used 11 different legacy Electrify America 350kW chargers for 20 or 25 minute charging sessions with absolutely no waiting and only one instance where the charger in Beaver, UT timed out while connecting, but worked when I disconnected and then plugged back in.

Hopefully, my comments on my very successful +2,000 mile road trip over the Thanksgiving week does not distract you from your OCD monitoring of a single solitary EA location.

and yet you think your experience in two states is equally accurate

I just drove a Macan Ev from Atlanta to Santa Cruz, CA - EA was a "sh*t" show east of alburque, and remarkably better from Alburque to Santa Cruz via Las Vegas

so yeah EA remains "unreliable" and that makes it hard to travel - Try hwy 40 from Alburque to Atlanta and tell us how happy you are with EA…based on my experience you'll have massive troubles (including have to short stop at the lone working EA station in order to get past the next 2 EA sites that are known sh*t shows and have been for years)

all 3 of the EA sites near my home in Santa Cruz offer less than 50% reliability as to if they are going to work - what is someone needs those stations for a trip they are conducting?

 

[Jonathan S.]

OCD? This is a critical location for the VT ski and tourism industry, serving EV drivers coming to central & northern VT from Boston and CT/NYC.
Tesla had this covered years ago.
Rivian also has a function station there, but alas still open only to Rivian.

Yes, EA's failure to keep this station fully functional ever since it opened in 2022 is just one failure, out of many ... other failures, but also successes.
However, I think it is an especially astounding failure, given the obvious demand for charging there as evidenced by the long lines.
Yet EA just can't seem to get this location to work properly.

(BTW, the ad hominem attack of "Jesus, dude, there has to be more to life than complaining on the internet about a single solitary charging location" seems to be ironic given that you complained at considerable length about a post with a single sentence and screen capture.)

 

[daveo4EV]

also the new Macan Ev charges at over 225 kW at Superchargers…so really no reason to "favor" EA due to speed given a charging limit of 270 kw…with EA (if you can get the stations to work).

 

[thecoloradokid]

and yet you think your experience in two states is equally accurate

I just drove a Macan Ev from Atlanta to Santa Cruz, CA - EA was a "sh*t" show east of alburque, and remarkably better from Alburque to Santa Cruz via Las Vegas

so yeah EA remains "unreliable" and that makes it hard to travel - Try hwy 40 from Alburque to Atlanta and tell us how happy you are with EA…based on my experience you'll have massive troubles.

all 3 of the EA sites near my home in Santa Cruz offer less than 50% reliability as to if they are going to work - what is someone needs those stations for a trip they are conducting?

Come on, Dave, math!!!! Last week's trip was Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico!

Last month's trip was Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. I may be the only person I know who drives a Porsche EV to Oklahoma for a client meeting with one of the world's largest oil and gas producers.

Anyway, I just like occasionally drop in to interrupt the whiney threads of your and Jonathan's constant complaining.

Sorry to nitpick but Hwy 40 is not the same as I-40. You drove across I-40 in southern US states that are openly hostile to electric vehicles. What did you expect, amazing charging oasis locations in some small town Walmart in Arkansas? If EA struggles maintaining its network in California, what do you expect in Jackson, Mississippi? At least Pilot/Flying J locations are opening along I-40, so that will offset some of the unreliability of EA on that major interstate corridor.

 

[thecoloradokid]

OCD? This is a critical location for the VT ski and tourism industry, serving EV drivers coming to central & northern VT from Boston and CT/NYC.
Tesla had this covered years ago.
Rivian also has a function station there, but alas still open only to Rivian.

Yes, EA's failure to keep this station fully functional ever since it opened in 2022 is just one failure, out of many ... other failures, but also successes.
However, I think it is an especially astounding failure, given the obvious demand for charging there as evidenced by the long lines.
Yet EA just can't seem to get this location to work properly.

Why is "a critical location for the VT ski and tourism industry" Electrify America's problem????

States like Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Arizona have invested in state sponsored charging networks to help electric vehicle drivers reach remote, beautiful national parks and ski resorts, shouldn't the states of Vermont and New Hampshire be investing in a legitimate charging network to help get EV owners spend money in their states? When states like Oklahoma and Kansas have state sponsored charging networks, on highway corridors, then you know you are really behind.

If EV drivers are struggling getting to spend their hard earned money on disappointing ski experiences in New Hampshire, then the state should invest its tax dollars to do something about it, not rely on Electrify America. Or those people should move out West and enjoy a real skiing/snowboarding experience!!!!!!!!!

Let's say, for instance, I want to check out the National Radio Astronomy Observatory/Very Large Array just outside of Socorro, NM, I can charge at a State of New Mexico sponsored charger in downtown Socorro, or if I am coming over from Arizona, I can charge at the State of Arizona sponsored charger in Show Low, AZ and make the drive through Pie Town, NM. In the past, I have done this trip when I used to ride a motorcycle, I did it in my old Cayenne e-hybrid, but I could not do it in EV. Now, thanks to the States of Arizona and New Mexico, I can continue to pretend I am on an episode of the X-Files.

You bitch continually about Electrify America, and some of the criticism is warranted, but relying on them to provide a solution for what you perceive as a problem will get you no where.

 

[Jonathan S.]

My point in emphasizing the location is that it’s very busy, for obvious reasons, yet EA is somehow too indifferent and/or incompetent to get it to work properly. (By contrast, Tesla has 16 pedestals in the very same parking lot, and Rivian has six plugs over in the next big parking lot.)

My point was not that EA has any sort of social responsibility to get it to work properly (and certainly no legal responsibility, since the consent decree lacks any performance metrics).

As for state-sponsored initiatives, I’ve already posted here previously about the instant-obsolescence VT state network, funded with money allocated in 2019 and 2020, yet only now getting built out, with two 50kW chargers per location, many (perhaps even most) of which already don’t work well (or at all).

VT does have one of the first NEVI stations, but in a location that is not on a busy section of its highway network, although it is perfectly situated for my frequent travels, which also means I have little competition (so double-win for me!).

By contrast, NH wastes its taxpayer money only on the endless NEVI reports, a classic paralysis via analysis. (I’ve browsed through some of these – highly amusing!) But a Ford dealer on the northern edge of southern NH now has six plugs, so that gives Boston EV drivers a fighting chance to make it up to northern VT or NH and back again.

At least we can agree though that “[…] relying on them [EA] to provide a solution for what you [note: and all other non-Rivian CCS1 drivers] perceive as a problem will get you no where” – both figuratively and sometimes even literally.

BTW, here are my recent “real” skiing experiences in NH (Friday) and VT (yesterday):

 

[cometguy]

What the Out of Spec narration said and what they experienced didn't quite match up. If you watch the charging sessions there were an awful lot of switching from tower to tower to get a charge, and a fair amount of de-rated or inoperative chargers. The first 2/3 of their of their travel through sparsely populated areas and the middle of the night charging made it so crowding wasn't a big problem. But there were a lot of charging sessions with issues. Based on what I regularly experience on the East coast interstates matches @daveo4EV. Not truly horrendous but not close to good. Interesting that some of their best charging sessions were at Flying J/Pilot. There is hope as the professional "energy dispensers" start installing EV charging stations.

The Taycan didn't have many problems charging. There are two interesting follow-up Out of Spec videos on the Taycan used in the I-90 Surge: one is a review of the Taycan's trip from Seattle to Boston, and the second (put up a couple of days ago) is about the same Taycan's new-record Cannonball run from NYC to LA that Kyle & Co. did several days after completing the I-90 Surge in Boston. They explain in the Cannonball video that they weren't going to do it after the Surge, but that they were so impressed with how the Taycan did in the Surge that they decided to try another Cannonball run (and they beat the previous BEV record by a fair amount -- without any advance planning). The CCS charging infrastructure has improved in the past year along their routes, and that's promising.

 

[gtm]

The Taycan didn't have many problems charging. There are two interesting follow-up Out of Spec videos on the Taycan used in the I-90 Surge: one is a review of the Taycan's trip from Seattle to Boston, and the second (put up a couple of days ago) is about the same Taycan's new-record Cannonball run from NYC to LA that Kyle & Co. did several days after completing the I-90 Surge in Boston. They explain in the Cannonball video that they weren't going to do it after the Surge, but that they were so impressed with how the Taycan did in the Surge that they decided to try another Cannonball run (and they beat the previous BEV record by a fair amount -- without any advance planning). The CCS charging infrastructure has improved in the past year along their routes, and that's promising.

There is no question that the charging infrastructure is improving. I just made a round trip from Florida to PA/NJ for Thanksgiving. Charging has been a total pain previously. This time was far less stressful (the route was 95, 26, 77, 81 from FL). There were enough fast charging options that I was able to avoid multiple EA locations known to be a problem. Pilot/Flying J units are coming online at a decent rate, can charge at 200+kW, and so far are functioning. My only need to call customer service to initiate a charge was at EA. My only stops where I waited to charge were EA (not really EA's fault). Something of a guess but it seems too many cars are flocking to EA to utilize the included "free" charging. I gladly paid to charge to avoid the EA experience. Some of the rates border on abusive but the time saved charging was well worth it. The travel stop operators are getting onboard, partaking of Federal and State funds and rolling out EV charging options for us. It's getting better.

 

[Tooney]

My point in emphasizing the location is that it’s very busy, for obvious reasons, yet EA is somehow too indifferent and/or incompetent to get it to work properly. (By contrast, Tesla has 16 pedestals in the very same parking lot, and Rivian has six plugs over in the next big parking lot.)

At least we can agree though that “[…] relying on them [EA] to provide a solution for what you [note: and all other non-Rivian CCS1 drivers] perceive as a problem will get you no where” – both figuratively and sometimes even literally.

Here is information, guidance, and case studies to help you with Taycan road tripping:
Always stay mobile Flexible and easy charging at a wide range of public charging stations
Range challenge for the Porsche Taycan - 1,111 kilometres/690 miles in one day:

 

[daveo4EV]

Here is information, guidance, and case studies to help you with Taycan road tripping:
Always stay mobile Flexible and easy charging at a wide range of public charging stations
Range challenge for the Porsche Taycan - 1,111 kilometres/690 miles in one day:

690 miles in one day - hmmmph amateur hour - co-driver and I did 960+ miles in one day in 2024 Macan Turbo EV…https://www.macanevowners.com/forum...-in-a-macan-ev-turbo.17948/page-5#post-272521 - Nov. 16th we drove from Forest City, AR to Albuquerque, NM via Interstate 40…charging infrastructure was challenging, but it worked and we did it.

 

[Jonathan S.]

“Currently, there are just under 200,000 charging points available in Germany, Austria and Switzerland […]”
And with bigger snow-covered mountains too!
NEVI really needs to hurry up not just with opening more DCFC stations but also creating more mountains.

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