New 2025 taycan lost grip - 4 wheel slide

[Pm1]

Just thought another factor could be the car is so new the regen hasn't kicked in yet so I was relying purely on the discs and pads, maybe the regen braking also improves stability when trying to slow a heavy car down on a steep decline

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[timc3]

I was thinking of getting a set of winter tyres but more for snow. I navigated 4 winter seasons with the old taycan and the pirellis and drove it pretty hard at times in poor conditions and never experienced anything like that at all.

Could be just the new tyres maybe in my old one the weather was a bit warmer when I was breaking in the tyres. Will update once I've put some more miles into the tyres.

winter tyres are not just for snow, they are for colder temperatures and helping cope more with ice and snow. I change to them when it starts getting below 8C.

Michelin pilot sport 4s not broken in, with cold air and road surface temperatures are going to be a bit tricky.

 

[Pm1]

winter tyres are not just for snow, they are for colder temperatures and helping cope more with ice and snow. I change to them when it starts getting below 8C.

Michelin pilot sport 4s not broken in, with cold air and road surface temperatures are going to be a bit tricky.

Before the taycan i had RWD cars and used to always have winter tyres, I planned to do the same with the original taycan but on pirellis it was so good in the wet and also fine driving cautiously in shallow snow I never bothered.

Surely there shouldn't be such a difference between the pirellis and michelins. Will see when they are broken in but will probably get some winter tyres after that experience, part of my love of the taycan is that it can be driven at a decent pace in cold and wet conditions.

 

[Leverage]

I noticed a big difference when driving with my summer tires in cold temperature. I wouldn't push the car with summer tires in this cold weather. I know you didn't "push" the car but summer tires will harden and lose their grips when it's cold. They are very sticky in summer though. I've bought a set of winter tires and the car feels again more stickier to the ground now. I wouldn't drive such a heavy and fast car with summer tires in the winter. Like someone said, winter tires are not necessarily for snow. It's for cold temperature.

 

[Pm1]

I noticed a big difference when driving with my summer tires in cold temperature. I wouldn't push the car with summer tires in this cold weather. I know you didn't "push" the car but summer tires will harden and lose their grips when it's cold. They are very sticky in summer though. I've bought a set of winter tires and the car feels again more stickier to the ground now. I wouldn't drive such a heavy and fast car with summer tires in the winter. Like someone said, winter tires are not necessarily for snow. It's for cold temperature.

All understood but I pushed on with confidence with my old taycan on pirellis in the cold and wet over 4 winters and probably 20k miles without an issue.

 

[ct4s]

+1 for winter tyres.
Even if it's not snowing / icy, I prefer the added security when there's lots of standing water and mud on the roads, especially given an EVs torque.

100 miles should be absolutely plenty of time to bed-in, and I've always worked on 50 miles being enough.
But a search suggests 150 - 200 is not unusual. And Continental suggest up to 500 miles (which seems ridiculous).

 

[Horizontally Opposed]

Hopefully you kept your braking foot hard on the pedal and let the computer do the traction work.

 

[pnw-ev-nerd]

All understood but I pushed on with confidence with my old taycan on pirellis in the cold and wet over 4 winters and probably 20k miles without an issue.

Please don't push your big heavy car on summer tires when it's cold and wet. Your confidence could get someone hurt. Doesn't matter how a different car on different tires performed, you've just witnessed firsthand the limits of grip in those conditions in that configuration.

Maybe your past experience was nothing more than you being lucky. Or maybe this incident was the first time you were unlucky. Do you really wanna put yourself and others at risk if you're unlucky again?

 

[f1eng]

Please don't push your big heavy car on summer tires when it's cold and wet. Your confidence could get someone hurt. Doesn't matter how a different car on different tires performed, you've just witnessed firsthand the limits of grip in those conditions in that configuration.

Maybe your past experience was nothing more than you being lucky. Or maybe this incident was the first time you were unlucky. Do you really wanna put yourself and others at risk if you're unlucky again?

Did you actually read the original post!!!!!

 

[Fish Fingers]

Just thought another factor could be the car is so new the regen hasn't kicked in yet so I was relying purely on the discs and pads, maybe the regen braking also improves stability when trying to slow a heavy car down on a steep decline

I don't think most people picked up on this post.

I think something like 90% of Taycan braking is via regen.
So having no regen and new pads / discs bedding in, would provide very sub optimal brake control.

 

[McgR]

I had this on a round about a couple of weeks ago. Took it a bit sportier than usual and slided. Outside temp was cold around 6 degrees a bit rainy on Michelin summer tires. Also Ackerman effect with low speed turning with decreasing temp. Changed to winter tires and much better grip. The tires did 15.000 km en were stil perfect. For me it was the cold temperature and summer tires.

 

[whitex]

Before the taycan i had RWD cars and used to always have winter tyres, I planned to do the same with the original taycan but on pirellis it was so good in the wet and also fine driving cautiously in shallow snow I never bothered.

Surely there shouldn't be such a difference between the pirellis and michelins. Will see when they are broken in but will probably get some winter tyres after that experience, part of my love of the taycan is that it can be driven at a decent pace in cold and wet conditions.

Also wanted to add to this, some summer tires (like the P4S) can actually be damaged if only stored in freezing temperatures. Not sure how low it gets where you live, but even when parked in freezing temps the tires can start developing micro-cracks.

If you want to keep the same tire over 4 seasons, go with all-climate tires (note, not the same as all-season, e.g. Micheline CrossClimate2). You will not get optimal performance as with dedicated summer or winter tires, but a good compromise to avoid the hassle of keeping and swapping tires.

Personally I keep 3 sets of tires with wheels for my Taycan, winter for winter (temps mostly under 7C), summer (P4S actually) for summer and into the fall (temps staying over 7C), all season for spring (wider temperature swings, from some nights dipping down to 0C, some days 23C+). My wife doesn't push her car has hard, so I swap her between winter tires for winter and all seasons for the rest of the year. She might actually go with all-climate tires when it's time to get new tires, stop swapping. One of my kids is using the Michelin CrossClimate2 and they do ok all year round.

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