Porsche considering retrofit of some 2025 Taycan improvements to pre-facelift model (battery management system, cluster charging screen)

[chun]

Mine making a creaking sound from somewhere around the steering wheel. But it only appears after about 1.5h driving! It’s creaking with vibrations, not from movement of the wheel etc.
I’m sure my OPC would never find or fix that sadly.

Similar story here; it's like a vibration rattle from the wheel / behind the wheel' after about 30-60 mins of driving. At speed of 80km/h +

I think all 3 of us are describing the same thing

Die Antwoord's Open The Door makes the door panels rattle with just the standard 150 Watt Sound Package Plus, did they improve this?

It's not from music sadly; it just rattles from nothing... it's not like the car is actually vibrating or anything.
Haven't tried this particular song tbh, but never had door rattles no matter the music volume

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[bigkraig]

if its the noise i had, the dealership added some felt tape under the console trim behind the wheel. i've had some other noise up near the a pillar that went away when i added some felt tape under my B-pillar, so it was a reflection the whole time. the b-pillar was a huge source of noise.

 

[russw]

I wonder what this means for VW/Porsche using the Rivian electronics platform that VW are investing billions in. Moving to that platform requires some hardware standardization for various system components so maybe Porsche not willing to do that. If not, Porsche will have even more difficulty staying in business. This is a new world where electronics architecture and software can make or kill a company. Tesla/Rivian/Chinese EVs are just better designed for this new world, IMO.

 

[GreenHornet]

I wonder what this means for VW/Porsche using the Rivian electronics platform that VW are investing billions in. Moving to that platform requires some hardware standardization for various system components so maybe Porsche not willing to do that. If not, Porsche will have even more difficulty staying in business. This is a new world where electronics architecture and software can make or kill a company. Tesla/Rivian/Chinese EVs are just better designed for this new world, IMO.

They don't need to use Rivian electronics. But they would have access to the know-how of building it about the same way. Germans are engineers who don't want things to change. And if they change, do it slowly. They are not very agile.

For the low to middle car segment for VW and other VAG brands (not Porsche) they need to make things simple and scalable. This gives them access to that.

Most of Porches revenues comes from customers who couldn't care less about system architecture, number of ECUs, software features and so on. They buy the brand, the heritage, the status and so on.

 

[russw]

They don't need to use Rivian electronics. But they would have access to the know-how of building it about the same way. Germans are engineers who don't want things to change. And if they change, do it slowly. They are not very agile.

For the low to middle car segment for VW and other VAG brands (not Porsche) they need to make things simple and scalable. This gives them access to that.

Most of Porches revenues comes from customers who couldn't care less about system architecture, number of ECUs, software features and so on. They buy the brand, the heritage, the status and so on.

Sure, they don’t have to use Rivian’s electronic platform. Using their platform doesn’t mean they’d have to use Rivian-made or sourced electronics. It just means they’d need compatible stuff. Maybe they would want to roll their own interior lighting controllers, window controllers, etc, but that would be kinda dumb. But they definitely need a smarter architecture like modern EV manufacturers, as you say. Things like using Ethernet to connect different parts and reducing the number of ECUs and always supporting over-the-air (OTA) updates. I kinda doubt that VW would spend billions on Rivian just to treat them as a consultant. Porsche is arrogant though, so who knows what they will do.

The cost savings likely comes from the architecture changes, not the cost of parts (eg- a window controller). I'd imagine Porsche will share VW group parts. I mean, they already do, it just will be more parts. Not motor electronics (Porsche does very well there) but maybe things not in the powertrain. Ethernet controllers, some component controllers, etc. Maybe they will follow Tesla in a move to drive by wire. Will be interesting to see.

As for Porsche owners, some of us are into the technical details All customers should care when their car needs to go to the dealer for a software update instead of getting a simple OTA update. I’d say most Porsche owners who used the older PCM navigation system hated the old PCM that needed a $300+ CD to update and often a visit to the dealer, along with the infrequent updates. Porsche electronics were a joke back then (I’m assuming the current cars don’t need dealer updates for PCM - I have no idea since I don’t have a Porsche anymore).

Finally, I wouldn’t call newer architectures simple and scalable. I’d call what legacy cars have as simple and scalable. Each component is designed separately, which makes it easier. The new architectures allow more connectivity between and to components. That wasn’t necessary in the past, but for Porsche to stay competitive, they need that.

Anyway, I’m hoping in another 5 years Porsche will have this OTA update stuff figured out. I’d buy another one if their reliability improves. I’m not about to get a car that spends a lot of time at the dealer. EVs should be low maintenance, even Porsches. In the mean time, thank you Taycan owners for buying the cars so we have a future Porsche EV. I just don't have the tolerance anymore for high maintenance cars.

 

[Brombaer1971]

9 months later and nothing has shown up nor any new information available. I really do not understand this at all, given all the problems the taycan has, that would be relatively easy to mitigate some of the pains of the owners.

 

[freeforall]

9 months later and nothing has shown up nor any new information available. I really do not understand this at all, given all the problems the taycan has, that would be relatively easy to mitigate some of the pains of the owners.

I wonder whether their decisions would have been different if the company didn’t go public. When you are in the stock market you constantly need to show good numbers (or at least the best possible numbers). So even if they know that investing ressources in an older model is probably the right long term decision to change the market perception which can increase the resell value -> get current owner confortable reselling -> the buying new models (in short, create a virtuous cycle), they also know it is a bad short term decision and will impact their quarterly earnings (on top of the other big difficulties like the Chinese market)

Unfortunately this feels like the finance department deciding…

 

[chun]

Some bloke here on the forum said that despite being told they are going to put a j1.2 battery in his j1.1 as part of warranty, that they would de-tune the battery to j1.1 stats. So they can, and they will even do the work,(and there are official TSB for it) but they don't want to make j1.1 better in any way.

That should tell you all you need to know, that porsche doesn't want to make happy or care about the happiness of j1.1 owners. Just like any other public company, now it's all about the money, so for next car, take your business elsewhere.

 

[Bennachie]

Bean Counters always win, sadly

 

[whitex]

Bean Counters always win, sadly

Yea, those darn companies that don't want to pay to give you free stuff.

 

[chun]

Yea, those darn companies that don't want to pay to give you free stuff.

Sure, they can feel free to not keep their cars software updated.

People will learn to take their business elsewhere. Or does porsche think people have some sort of fetish for disrespect and shitty products?

The standard has been set by new car manufacturers like rivian, lucid, any Chinese manufacturer and Tesla: constant updates and improvements to the car post sale. If porsche can’t keep up, they will die, like all dinosaurs did. They are not Pagani, they sell mass manufactured cars

 

[Brombaer1971]

Please buy yourself a new phone once a year.

Software is a different Kind of Beast even when the traditional OEMs have a hard time coping with it.

But it all comes back to Brand loyalty in the end. All experiences add to it. And the Taycan ownership experience had some rough bumps (and continue to). Easy and cheap for Porsche to send a bandaid to the owners.

 

[whitex]

Sure, they can feel free to not keep their cars software updated.

People will learn to take their business elsewhere. Or does porsche think people have some sort of fetish for disrespect and shitty products?

The standard has been set by new car manufacturers like rivian, lucid, any Chinese manufacturer and Tesla: constant updates and improvements to the car post sale. If porsche can’t keep up, they will die, like all dinosaurs did. They are not Pagani, they sell mass manufactured cars

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

This comment was about Porsche giving free extra battery capacity+performance to customers who end up having a J1.2 battery as a warranty replacement for a failed J1.1 battery. Coincidentally, I know for a fact that Tesla also doesn't enable any available extra battery capacity if they end up replacing batteries under warranty with newer, bigger batteries. I don't know about the other manufacturers you mention, but I would be surprised if they do.

That said, there are indirect benefit of getting larger batteries, even if software locked, for example ability to charge to 100% without degradation if you know for a fact that your 100% is actually 85% of the new battery.

 

[chun]

This comment was about Porsche giving free extra battery capacity+performance to customers who end up having a J1.2 battery as a warranty replacement for a failed J1.1 battery.

Which they do, by simply replacing the battery.

And they then pay additional money on service time to disable that capacity via software Ignoring the money invested into developing said software.

So... why spend that extra money? To make customers more disappointment in the brand?

You're also making it sound like Porsche is doing people a great favor. LOL. They are doing the minimum necessary to fix their fuck up, and not by choice, but by being forced by law. You would think that as a "sorry" for beta testing their beta product, they would at least not spend aditional money on making said product worse.

It's also less about the free battery capacity, and more about the mentality of spending extra money to make sure that that free battery capacity is not available. Points to the mindset Porsche has when making their cars

But hey, if you really feel that all this shit doesn't add up in people's mind, that's good for you. In my experience, shitty experiences add up quickly, and people always take their business elsewhere.

Do you know what the most googled EV in UK is? It's Jaecoo 7, a chinese car . Why? 8 years of warranty for everything, 8 years of updates, and luxury unlike anything Porsche can dream of.

So do customers really need one more reason to NOT choose a Porsche? I guess they do, according to Porsche & you. In my opinion Porsche should do the maxium possible to change public opinion on their EVs.

 

[chun]

Yea, those darn companies that don't want to pay to give you free stuff.

What's the free stuff?

I PAID for a car with a functioning battery; 100% of the time.

They didn't offer that, so now they replace it. The way they say sorry for making me beta test their product, a fire hazard in 29 countries, is to spend MORE money on artificially de-tuning the battery? Nice. Inspires customer retention and customer happiness

I can see you never ever worked in a customer facing job. You have no idea what makes a customer happy.

Why do you think they give you a shitty mug when you go pick up your car after 2 weeks of recall? To try to make you happy, and not hate the brand.

Now replace that mug with: "we actually reduced your battery capacity intentionally after putting a bigger battery in your car". Will definitely not leave a sour taste in people's mouth, eh?

Imagine you book a hotel room, you arrive and it's unavailable. As sorry, the hotel upgrades you to the VIP room with a infinity pool. But, they lock the infinity pool, because you didn't pay for it "technically". How would that make you feel? Do you think that customer will ever go back to that hotel? Will he go and leave a positive review? Will he tell his friends to visit the hotel that blocked the infinity pool as a "sorry" for fucking up his room? Well, replace the hotel with Porsche and the infinity pool with the battery, there you go.

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