Taycan 4S daily driver: 2025 vs 2023/24 — worth the premium?

[d00d]

Get that 2025 in Irvine before I do, you need to experience PAR leaning into corners like a motorcycle.

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[prj]

Yesterday I test drove a MY25 and the PCM was slow as hell with routing via Android Auto. This confuses me because I thought the 25+ had a faster PCM and I thought AA processing would be handled via my phone which never lags with routing in other vehicles.

So for this point I don't see the advantage with the 25+.

Same exact PCM, different software, barely any difference.

The benefits are:
1. Significantly more range
2. Significantly better fast charging in cold weather
3. More power
4. Significantly more power in cold weather or at low SoC.
5. Active Ride can be optioned
6. Soft Close can be optioned
7. Newer battery which hopefully should not fail like the old one.

 

[SoccerMan94043]

Same exact PCM, different software, barely any difference.

The benefits are:
1. Significantly more range
2. Significantly better fast charging in cold weather
3. More power
4. Significantly more power in cold weather or at low SoC.
5. Active Ride can be optioned
6. Soft Close can be optioned
7. Newer battery which hopefully should not fail like the old one.

To add to the list, I haven't heard of the common J1.1 heater issue in the J1.2.

 

[prj]

To add to the list, I haven't heard of the common J1.1 heater issue in the J1.2.

Well the J1.2 would have the newest heater, but not sure if that's fixed now for good or not?

 

[SoccerMan94043]

Well the J1.2 would have the newest heater, but not sure if that's fixed now for good or not?

J1.2s have been out of a long while now... you'd figure we would have heard something.

 

[refazi]

This TSB includes MY2025 https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2025/MC-11017927-0001.pdf

 

[SoccerMan94043]

This TSB includes MY2025 https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2025/MC-11017927-0001.pdf

Interesting... I wonder why we don't read about it more here on the J1.2.

 

[babylou66]

Same exact PCM, different software, barely any difference.

The benefits are:
1. Significantly more range
2. Significantly better fast charging in cold weather
3. More power
4. Significantly more power in cold weather or at low SoC.
5. Active Ride can be optioned
6. Soft Close can be optioned
7. Newer battery which hopefully should not fail like the old one.

All true. So after I thought about this for me:

1. Significantly more range - everyone should really consider how often this is important. For me it would be about every 2 months.
2. Significantly better fast charging in cold weather - Matters not for a lot of people like me that live in hot climates.
3. More power - A little birdy told me this can be fixed for about US$2500.
4. Significantly more power in cold weather or at low SoC. - same as #2.
5. Active Ride can be optioned - I've seen three reports that PAR + RWS is a bad combo and several other reports of PAR causing nausea.
6. Soft Close can be optioned - I would pay extra not to have something like this that just adds weight and more failure points with the only benefit is to add to laziness.
7. Newer battery which hopefully should not fail like the old one - for me this is the big one, especially since I have now own(ed) two other vehicles with battery fire issues (Chevy Bolt, Volvo EX30 - news just broke).

Let's add:
8. Potential heater fix. It looks like there is a TSB for 2025 also.
9. Near universal preference for the J1 front end styling - I still would choose whichever technicals/financials suited me.

Consider a very low mile CPO 2024 can be purchased for 2/3 the cost of a new 2025. That's US$40k-50k difference! Doesn't seem worth it for me. Except for #7 because I don't want to risk torching my family.

 

[SoccerMan94043]

All true. So after I thought about this for me:

1. Significantly more range - everyone should really consider how often this is important. For me it would be about every 2 months.
2. Significantly better fast charging in cold weather - Matters not for a lot of people like me that live in hot climates.
3. More power - A little birdy told me this can be fixed for about US$2500.
4. Significantly more power in cold weather or at low SoC. - same as #2.
5. Active Ride can be optioned - I've seen three reports that PAR + RWS is a bad combo and several other reports of PAR causing nausea.
6. Soft Close can be optioned - I would pay extra not to have something like this that just adds weight and more failure points with the only benefit is to add to laziness.
7. Newer battery which hopefully should not fail like the old one - for me this is the big one, especially since I have now own(ed) two other vehicles with battery fire issues (Chevy Bolt, Volvo EX30 - news just broke).

Let's add:
8. Potential heater fix. It looks like there is a TSB for 2025 also.
9. Near universal preference for the J1 front end styling - I still would choose whichever technicals/financials suited me.

Consider a very low mile CPO 2024 can be purchased for 2/3 the cost of a new 2025. That's US$40k-50k difference! Doesn't seem worth it for me. Except for #7 because I don't want to risk torching my family.

I'm not having any issue with PAR/RWS or nausea.

 

[refazi]

Can you hear air compressor noise when the car is fully lifted after like 3-5mins?

 

[SoccerMan94043]

Can you hear air compressor noise when the car is fully lifted after like 3-5mins?

I don't think I've ever left it like that for that long... assuming you mean Comfort Entry mode. If you mean normal chassis lift mode, I've never noticed an unusual sound (PAR definitely makes different noises though).

 

[refazi]

Yeah confort entry mode with PAR, give it a try, i never had that noise with all the other taycans i had, all had air suspension but this one is the only one with PAR. (Turbo S)

 

[babylou66]

I don't think I've ever left it like that for that long... assuming you mean Comfort Entry mode. If you mean normal chassis lift mode, I've never noticed an unusual sound (PAR definitely makes different noises though).

and PAR doesn't use compressed air.

 

[refazi]

and PAR doesn't use compressed air.

Thats right! that's why it's very weird to hear the compressor noise... it's only happening when the car is fully lifted, so maybe it's some kind of a new mode where the air suspension is fully engaged.

 

[prj]

All true. So after I thought about this for me:

1. Significantly more range - everyone should really consider how often this is important. For me it would be about every 2 months.
2. Significantly better fast charging in cold weather - Matters not for a lot of people like me that live in hot climates.
3. More power - A little birdy told me this can be fixed for about US$2500.
4. Significantly more power in cold weather or at low SoC. - same as #2.
5. Active Ride can be optioned - I've seen three reports that PAR + RWS is a bad combo and several other reports of PAR causing nausea.
6. Soft Close can be optioned - I would pay extra not to have something like this that just adds weight and more failure points with the only benefit is to add to laziness.
7. Newer battery which hopefully should not fail like the old one - for me this is the big one, especially since I have now own(ed) two other vehicles with battery fire issues (Chevy Bolt, Volvo EX30 - news just broke).

Let's add:
8. Potential heater fix. It looks like there is a TSB for 2025 also.
9. Near universal preference for the J1 front end styling - I still would choose whichever technicals/financials suited me.

Consider a very low mile CPO 2024 can be purchased for 2/3 the cost of a new 2025. That's US$40k-50k difference! Doesn't seem worth it for me. Except for #7 because I don't want to risk torching my family.

1. Depends how you use the car.
2. Depends how you use the car.
3. A tuned J1.2 Taycan 4 has more power than a tuned J1.1 Turbo S. It's over a second faster 100-200.
4. No it's not the same as #2. A tuned J1.1 with the bigger rear motor only has the maximum 800 PS at 100% SoC and in hot weather. If it is colder or the SoC is lower then it does not have the full power anymore. Meaning at 80% you are already 40PS down from the peak, and at 40% the car is significantly slower. Hence the usable SoC range where the car produces the maximum power is significantly lower. The J1.2 battery is much more consistent in it's power delivery, and is capable of 50% higher power output at the same temperature and 60-70% more in cold weather.
5. The nausea reports were only in normal mode with the optional features selected, that you don't have to select. PAR is a gamechanger suspension wise. Also the RWS reports are just RWS, I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with PAR. They made the calibration more aggressive on the facelift it seems.
6. It has nothing to do with laziness, it's a convenience feature. Same like adaptive cruise control is not for laziness, but rather a convenience feature. I've had soft close on countless cars and I've never had any failure with the door latches.

J1.2 is objectively better, while 1&2 is dependent on your circumstances (The J1.2 still has a better charging curve in hot weather as well), everything else isn't.

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