4S ST vs 4S CT

[Jamesca]

Hi all,

On checking the specs from the Porsche site I have found that Porsche list the following for each car (via technical specs):

4S CT
- max power with LC = 571PS
- Range combined = 281 (241-281)
- Battery capacity = 93.4 kWh
- 0-62mph = 4.1s
- 0-124mph = 13.0s
- 49-74mph - 2.3s

4S ST
- max power with LC = 530PS
- Range combined = 274 (222-274)
- Battery capacity = 79.2 kWh
- 0-62mph = 4.0s
- 0-124mph = 13.3s
- 49-74mph - 2.3s

Are these typo's or is there a reason the 4S ST without the performance battery is quicker to 60mph?

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[f1eng]

Are these typo's or is there a reason the 4S ST without the performance battery is quicker to 60mph?

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[Jamesca]

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Interesting, thanks that does make sense.

Given the range increase isn't huge, am I missing why the performance battery is worth it as a £4k option?

 

[f1eng]

Interesting, thanks that does make sense.

Given the range increase isn't huge, am I missing why the performance battery is worth it as a £4k option?

Me too, it seems very expensive for a bit more range and faster charging if you mainly charge at home and only infrequently do long trips.
I think this will be very country dependant with range probably being massively more important to a US or Australian buyer than here.

 

[im85288]

Interesting, thanks that does make sense.

Given the range increase isn't huge, am I missing why the performance battery is worth it as a £4k option?

Personal choice on that one, the ST is more in line with the Saloon for performance figures. The CT is as mentioned heavier and has slightly worse stats but in real life would not be noticeable.

For what it’s worth I am going for the 4S ST without the performance plus battery option. I simply do not need the range as I’ve experienced with my M3P and think the extra 4K is better spent on other options. Plus my plan is to upgrade/change in a few years either for the face lifted Taycan or for the 2 door EV 718 Cayman.

 

[f1eng]

The CT is as mentioned heavier and has slightly worse stats but in real life would not be noticeable.

It is the battery that is heavier. If you fit a PB+ to a 4S ST it weighs the same as a 4S CT which has it as standard).

 

[pEAkfrEAk]

Are these typo's or is there a reason the 4S ST without the performance battery is quicker to 60mph?

No, it's no typo. The ST is the sportier version of the CT that's why the performance is a little bit better. Even with the PB+ it goes 0-100 in 4,0s instead of 4,1s like the CT. And topspeed of the 4S CT is limited to 240km/h whereas the 4S ST runs 250km/h no matter which battery.
Reason for the improved WLTP range of the ST models is that they have been newly homologated.

 

[Jamesca]

Thanks all, this has probably shifted me from a CT to an ST now if I am honest.

 

[ciaranob]

Thanks all, this has probably shifted me from a CT to an ST now if I am honest.

CT-ST differences are not limited to battery and range - if together with less range, the off-road ability is of no interest, then indeed you can save money on a PB+ std in the CT but 0.1 secs I hope has nothing to do with you choice - perf metrics are essentially identical !!

 

[Jamesca]

CT-ST differences are not limited to battery and range - if together with less range, the off-road ability is of no interest, then indeed you can save money on a PB+ std in the CT but 0.1 secs I hope has nothing to do with you choice - perf metrics are essentially identical !!

Every 0.1s counts

No, that difference is not the reason , it's more that there is very little difference in the performance which surprised me as I assumed the 4S ST would need the performance battery to be similar figures. Added to the fact I personally think the ST looks better than the CT, I have no need for the off road element, and also means I save around £4k on my preferred spec!

 

[f1eng]

Every 0.1s counts

No, that difference is not the reason , it's more that there is very little difference in the performance which surprised me as I assumed the 4S ST would need the performance battery to be similar figures. Added to the fact I personally think the ST looks better than the CT, I have no need for the off road element, and also means I save around £4k on my preferred spec!

Driving on Oxfordshire B roads is like off roading so the CT suits me better even though I am not keen on the plastic trim. OTOH I really much prefer the compass on the dial on the dash than the second hand...
I also don't like the styling of any of the ST wheels.

 

[Bigben]

Driving on Oxfordshire B roads is like off roading so the CT suits me better even though I am not keen on the plastic trim. OTOH I really much prefer the compass on the dial on the dash than the second hand...
I also don't like the styling of any of the ST wheels.

Same here in Wilts/South Glos the roads are just wrecked… I’m (hopefully) never going back to non-air suspension!

If you’re really against the plastic cladding did you see this other thread where it’s been removed?

 

[f1eng]

If you’re really against the plastic cladding did you see this other thread where it’s been removed?

I am not bothered by it enough to spend any time, effort or money on changing it since it is on the exterior.
It is the interior I look at and interact with and the main thing there was to avoid the ubiquitous and deadly boring black - which I can do with a Taycan ? but I can't change the touch controls, which are really useless in a car IME?.

The things that made me think twice about ordering one in the end are size and touch screen controls, and I am still not sure I won't come to regret buying it because of these.
I also hate heavy cars but was impressed by how well Porsche had disguised this disadvantage fairly well.

 

[bruksnys]

Me too, it seems very expensive for a bit more range and faster charging if you mainly charge at home and only infrequently do long trips.
I think this will be very country dependant with range probably being massively more important to a US or Australian buyer than here.

It's almost 18% difference in battery size to be exact, and that's a lot. The cost of it is pennies, comparing to the cost of the car. Firs option I would tick, even 5 times the amount, skipping all other options if possible, and I live in a super small country It's not most efficient EV in the world, and with battery degradation in mind, that pitiful 300km range at high speeds scares me a lot... used to have almost 1000 in my Q7 before...

 

[f1eng]

It's almost 18% difference in battery size to be exact, and that's a lot. The cost of it is pennies, comparing to the cost of the car. Firs option I would tick, even 5 times the amount, skipping all other options if possible, and I live in a super small country It's not most efficient EV in the world, and with battery degradation in mind, that pitiful 300km range at high speeds scares me a lot... used to have almost 1000 in my Q7 before...

Absolutely. It is totally dependant on one's use case whether you consider it worth the money.

I have a PHEV at present which I obviously charge at home. It has a 40 litre fuel tank and the last time I put fuel in it was 15 November in Dundee, 436 miles from home. This fuel got me home with still enough for daily use until now since almost every journey is entirely electric.

OTOH I personally ordered a Cross Turismo so the option isn't one I had to reflect upon .

The fact is it adds a lot of weight to an already heavy car and for a person doing mainly shorter journeys and charging at home carrying all that ballast all the time makes no technical sense though it evidently makes emotional sense.

For anybody doing long journeys and charging away from home it is an easy technical choice. For me it would be more of an emotional choice and I am still not sure, were I buying a car with the option, which way I would go, even though I am an engineer and the logic certainly points to the big battery not being worth it for my use case.

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