All Season Tyres. Help please.

[BigBob]

Sadly, I can now confirm that the Contis I was being offered aren't NF0 rated, and the other brands' NF0 rated options are not currently available for 20" rears.
The frustrating thing is that the same family Conti tyre is rated NF0 for the 19" wheels.
As it stands, anyone who bought a TEquipment set of winter tyres with 20" wheels appears to be at risk of getting stuck, not in wintry conditions, but with an unapproved tyre issue when one of their rears needs replacing. Ridiculous.

I guess if porsche is supplying non-nfo, then non-nfo must be ok? From a warranty perspective etc.

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[WuffvonTrips]

I guess if porsche is supplying non-nfo, then non-nfo must be ok? From a warranty perspective etc.

I'm guessing that the selection was down to an incorrect assumption based on knowing that the same type of tyre- for 19" wheels, is NF0.
If there really is no suitable NF0 option, I'd like need to know the implications for insurance as well as warranty, hoping that it's more of a recommendation than a hard requirement (otherwise it's a well-intended idea that doesn't work in reality).

 

[f1eng]

Winter tyres are only better than All seasons in SNOW. It rarely snows in lowland UK and if it does it never sticks. All seasons are good enough on these rare occasions and still MILES better than a summer tyre.

The west is wet and mild (brought up in the Fylde)
The east is cold but drier (apprenticeship in Huddersfield) there was snow that stuck every year in Yorkshire even though it was rare in Lancashire growing up.

I have seen and posted here the reviews suggesting all seasons are more suitable for English winters but I do go to Scotland and the North East as well. I find winter tyres better on the muddy fields often used as overflow carparks here too

 

[Archimedes]

The challenge in the UK seems to be getting hold of an approved NF0 All Season tyre for 20" rear wheels (and now apparently, currently also for the Winter options).

That’s a bummer. Can’t the dealer source the same tires that are offered as an option on the car new?

 

[WuffvonTrips]

That’s a bummer. Can’t the dealer source the same tires that are offered as an option on the car new?

They're trying to find out when those will be able to be ordered. Might have been easier were I not planning to get a 21" wheels/summer tyres set next year- I could have got a Tequipment 20" wheels/winters set now (assuming of course that they too aren't in a queue for the tyres).
EDIT- and as I get bogged down in the details of this search, I need to keep reminding myself that my preference is for All Seasons.

 

[BigBob]

I'm guessing that the selection was down to an incorrect assumption based on knowing that the same type of tyre- for 19" wheels, is NF0.
If there really is no suitable NF0 option, I'd like need to know the implications for insurance as well as warranty, hoping that it's more of a recommendation than a hard requirement (otherwise it's a well-intended idea that doesn't work in reality).

Good luck getting anything in writing from them on that! But it's certainly a daft situation.

Happy to be contradicted, but i'd always thought N0 tyres were really about being how to cope with the speed of a porsche, while NF0 more about the weight of taycan.

Seems to be plenty of heavy SUV EVs out there that you can get reinforced tyres for. In reality are they actually inferior or weaker than NF0?

 

[WuffvonTrips]

Good luck getting anything in writing from them on that! But it's certainly a daft situation.

Happy to be contradicted, but i'd always thought N0 tyres were really about being how to cope with the speed of a porsche, while NF0 more about the weight of taycan.

Seems to be plenty of heavy SUV EVs out there that you can get reinforced tyres for. In reality are they actually inferior or weaker than NF0?

I'm guessing that there are other tyres available that would earn a Porsche N rating, but Porsche only allow enough testing time to approve a handful of alternatives. Notably absent in the description of the system is any consideration of ready availability of a tyre-

Following the N, a second letter indicates the model line. Further details can be found in each tyre’s technical data.

For example, the Porsche 992 tyre will be marked NA, indicating it is:
N – approved by Porsche
A – developed for the Porsche 992

Porsche N-marked tyres differ from others primarily in terms of geometry, rubber composition and testing methods. Testing covers three main areas:
1. Subjective outdoor criteria, such as handling and driving comfort
2. Objective outdoor criteria, such as braking performance and service life
3. Indoor criteria, such as rolling resistance and high-speed performance

During development, tyre geometry and rubber composition in particular are tailored to Porsche vehicles. Whether all-season, summer, winter or sport, Porsche N-marked tyres provide excellent driving stability and maximum driving pleasure. They also ensure your vehicle retains its original driving performance and safety margins, even after being fitted with a new tyre.

...from https://www.porsche.com/international/accessoriesandservice/porscheservice/parts/tyres/

 

[f1eng]

That’s a bummer. Can’t the dealer source the same tires that are offered as an option on the car new?

Apparently the terminolgy differs between US and Europe and tyres sold as All seasons in the USA and Europe are different.

All seasons (Europe type) are not available as a choice in the Porsche configurator nor are they available from Porsche Techquipment here, just winter wheel and tyre sets, which I what I use.

 

[cityhpper]

I guess if porsche is supplying non-nfo, then non-nfo must be ok? From a warranty perspective etc.

In Norway, Porsche will deliver non-NF0 winter tyres to the Taycan when asked: I see several using Nokian R3/R5 or even the studded Hakkapelitta 10 on the 20 " TEquipment rims. Some owners will not accept the European-type winter tyres and insist on Nordic ones instead.

Seems to be some pragmatism beeing applied, after all...

 

[Archimedes]

Apparently the terminolgy differs between US and Europe and tyres sold as All seasons in the USA and Europe are different.

All seasons (Europe type) are not available as a choice in the Porsche configurator nor are they available from Porsche Techquipment here, just winter wheel and tyre sets, which I what I use.

So in Europe, all new Taycans are sold with summer tires? Or is the choice summers or full winters?

 

[f1eng]

So in Europe, all new Taycans are sold with summer tires? Or is the choice summers or full winters?

Don’t know about the rest of Europe but in the UK they are sold with summer tyres - which are just considered normal here and few people use or know about anything else - and winter wheels sets are available on the configurator to add to your order if you wish.

 

[Archimedes]

Don’t know about the rest of Europe but in the UK they are sold with summer tyres - which are just considered normal here and few people use or know about anything else - and winter wheels sets are available on the configurator to add to your order if you wish.

If you’re talking about full summer performance tires, that’s really weird. I imagine that a lot of four door sedan buyers don’t want rear tires that only last 15k miles.

 

[Porsche-Guru]

If you’re talking about full summer performance tires, that’s really weird. I imagine that a lot of four door sedan buyers don’t want rear tires that only last 15k miles.

Not an issue... if my M4 summer performance tyres ever last 15,000 miles I am smiling...

All UK cars (regardless of make/ model) only come with summer tyres - I would be hard pressed to find a manufacturer providing anything else as standard factory fitment.

All Seasons/ Winters are available for some makes/ models as add-ons... but as @f1eng has pointed out... this is more of a rarity than the norm.

Most drivers in the UK are ignorant about all season or winter tyres; have never driven a car with such tyres - so do not know the difference or the benefits... so unfortunately, low demand for winters/ all seasons.
This makes it a pain to find winters/ all season tyres in the UK - for the few folks who want such tyres.

 

[cityhpper]

On Black Circles I can find 5 (FIVE) makes of All Terrain Tyre WITH the '3 Mountain Snowflake'
Michelin, Good Year, Vredestein, Cooper and Yokohama (and Pirelli without '3 Mountain Snowflake' )
to fit my Audi Etron 20' wheels (255/55/20 all round)

You can find Contis, Michelin and Pirelli to fit the front Taycan wheel 245/45 R20
but NOTHING to fit the rear 285/40 R20

Just don't make em for UK

Contis (at least on Black Circles) are the only WINTER tyre showing as available
for front AND rear Taycan 20' wheels and its not even NFO

Seems to be a pretty decent selection of 285/40R20 winter tires over at mytyres.co.uk? From nordic ones to more european style tires, and even NF0 if important. I would imagine a local tyre reseller could mount them for you.

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/search?so...LKW&vehicleTypes=VINTAGE_PKW&vehicleTypes=OFF

 

[WuffvonTrips]

Seems to be a pretty decent selection of 285/40R20 winter tires over at mytyres.co.uk? From nordic ones to more european style tires, and even NF0 if important. I would imagine a local tyre reseller could mount them for you.

Yes they showed up when I searched yesterday- they didn't show in my earlier searches for NF0 rated, perhaps a new batch has been delivered.

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