All Season Tyres. Help please.

[Browning]

I use 4 season tyres in my van. However on the Taycan I decided to get a new set of rims with Goodyear winter tyres. 4 season under the Taycan I feel it’s a waste. Can’t get the best off the car with 4 season tyres, either in the summer nor in the winter.

Maybe this is the answer I remember whilst we was on a country sport in Scotland off road when 4x4 including defenders range rovers etc was finding very difficult in the mud in fact was some was towed out then along came a Suzuki Jimny my thoughts was no chance and it just got through we was amazed

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[BigBob]

Maybe this is the answer I remember whilst we was on a country sport in Scotland off road when 4x4 including defenders range rovers etc was finding very difficult in the mud in fact was some was towed out then along came a Suzuki Jimny my thoughts was no chance and it just got through we was amazed

Certainly no contest between the same car fitted with knobbly thin tyres and wide road tyres (summer or winter) when off-road. Best 4x4 systems etc can't defeat regular tyres turned into slicks with mud. However, its a pretty different discussion to winter vs summer tyres.

 

[Crazymind]

I had stopped buying 2 sets of tyres years ago after the 4 seasons tyres discovery. I find the compromise is excellent on Suv, Van and cars below 300hp and no sport cars in general. On sporty or powerful cars the all seasons become a bit underwhelming when driving at high speed. cornering as well is not very pleasant when the tyres are hot. I thought this time I deserve to enjoy the drive all year round with specific tyres.

 

[f1eng]

I use 4 season tyres in my van. However on the Taycan I decided to get a new set of rims with Goodyear winter tyres. 4 season under the Taycan I feel it’s a waste. Can’t get the best off the car with 4 season tyres, either in the summer nor in the winter.

My view too.
The tyres are a crucial part of a performance car and buying a Taycan and using non-optimum tyres on it seems daft.

 

[Browning]

My view too.
The tyres are a crucial part of a performance car and buying a Taycan and using non-optimum tyres on it seems daft.

Totally agree but I would not drive taycan in snow etc and I tend to garage taycan from Dec until March

 

[f1eng]

Totally agree but I would not drive taycan in snow etc and I tend to garage taycan from Dec until March

I only tax my sportscar for the summer but my Taycan is for all year so I thought it worth getting winter wheels and tyres too.

 

[Ross]

All good points.
The key word is OPTIMAL.
I completely agree running all seasons all year round on a Taycan is a complete waste of summer abilities of the car.
I would still argue that the ‘all season’ tyre is the best for a UK winter.
The ONLY thing better about a winter tyre over an all season is SNOW performance.
Even a summer tyre is categorically better than a winter above 7 degrees.
That is quite a lot of English ‘winter’.
We all accept that summer tyres are useless and dangerous in snow and ice. We have a different tyre for those VERY occasional times.
It hardly ever snows even up north and rarely sticks. I lived in Oxfordshire (Witney) for 10 years and sometimes I didn’t see snow for the entire winter.
‘Optimal’ tyres in snow are studded.
No one is suggesting those or even hard core winters like Nokian Hakkepolita.

All season tyres especially with the 3 mountain snowflake stamp will get you through the snow out of the pub car park and be legal for the odd ski trip to the mountains.

These all season tyres will then be better than winters in the other 90% of English ‘winter’ days where it’s just damp, soggy, dark, coldish and miserable.

 

[f1eng]

I would still argue that the ‘all season’ tyre is the best for a UK winter.

That is what the tyre reviewer guy wrote and for southern England probably true. I may well have bought them for winter if they were available from Porsche for the Taycan.

I was brought up in the Fylde where it almost never snowed but when I did my apprenticeship in Yorkshire there was plenty of snow every winter and with much of my family in Scotland winter tyres are my choice for me.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I have pulled an indicated 1.14 gs on my Taycan using Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4s. I will stipulate that the inboard g meter may be a bit off.

I completely agree running all seasons all year round on a Taycan is a complete waste of summer abilities of the car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28414993/2020-chevrolet-corvette-mid-engine-all-season-tires/

 

[Porsche-Guru]

All good points.
The key word is OPTIMAL.
I completely agree running all seasons all year round on a Taycan is a complete waste of summer abilities of the car.
I would still argue that the ‘all season’ tyre is the best for a UK winter.
The ONLY thing better about a winter tyre over an all season is SNOW performance.
Even a summer tyre is categorically better than a winter above 7 degrees.
That is quite a lot of English ‘winter’.
We all accept that summer tyres are useless and dangerous in snow and ice. We have a different tyre for those VERY occasional times.
It hardly ever snows even up north and rarely sticks. I lived in Oxfordshire (Witney) for 10 years and sometimes I didn’t see snow for the entire winter.
‘Optimal’ tyres in snow are studded.
No one is suggesting those or even hard core winters like Nokian Hakkepolita.

All season tyres especially with the 3 mountain snowflake stamp will get you through the snow out of the pub car park and be legal for the odd ski trip to the mountains.

These all season tyres will then be better than winters in the other 90% of English ‘winter’ days where it’s just damp, soggy, dark, coldish and miserable.

100% agree… All seasons tyres for UK winter months are a better choice than winter tyres.… and also solve the problem of the occasional trip to Europe in winter months.

Real question: Which ones to get that fit the 20” Taycan?

 

[Vercingetorix]

100% agree… All seasons tyres for UK winter months are a better choice than winter tyres.… and also solve the problem of the occasional trip to Europe in winter months.

Real question: Which ones to get that fit the 20” Taycan?

Falken Azenis FK460 AS tests very highly and is probably the best in OEM size. I went with Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4S with a slightly smaller a rear and have had no issues.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2023-Tyre-Reviews-UHP-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

 

[Porsche-Guru]

Falken Azenis FK460 AS tests very highly and is probably the best in OEM size. I went with Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4S with a slightly smaller a rear and have had no issues.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2023-Tyre-Reviews-UHP-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

What front/rear size did you go for?

 

[Vercingetorix]

What front/rear size did you go for?

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...0PSAS4XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

 

[Porsche-Guru]

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...0PSAS4XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Thanks... so your sizes are
Fronts: 245/45/R20
Rears: 275/40/R20 instead of the OEM 285/40/R20

Unfortunately.... Michelin AS/4 not available in the UK.

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Asking UK members...
Is there an appropriate All Season tyre available for the Taycan in 20" size?
I am not concerned about whether the tyres are NFO rated or not.

 

[WuffvonTrips]

We all accept that summer tyres are useless and dangerous in snow and ice. We have a different tyre for those VERY occasional times.

At the risk of this becoming the inscription on my headstone, I think it fairer to say that summer tyres are suboptimal for those conditions (at least as far I've experienced* in the UK- continental Europe is a different matter)- they're still driveable with sufficient adaption in driving, though TBH I'm lucky enough that, unless an emergency, I'd be able to stay home if conditions were that bad (not least because, even with studded tyres or even tracked vehicles, there's too much risk from other road users who may be less diligent or cautious).
* EDIT- not doubting the benefit of non-Summer options to fellow UK members who have to allow for dealing with worse than that.

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