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Not even close! It does vary the regen somewhat depending on how close you are to the car in front but when slowing to a stop it kind of lets go so you'd easily run into the back of a stationary car.
Not surprisingly, that's because there is no regen below 6mph (may vary for RWD models) (hint: also the reason why one pedal driving isn't the trivial/artificial restriction some make it out to be.)
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that's because there is no regen below 6mph
I wonder what the reason for that is. We do torque control on motors all of the way to zero rpm. A simple example is tension in a winding or payoff application and coming to a stop. We’ll even often use the motor for holding zero rpm instead of a mechanical brake. A mechanical brake is still present, but only used for power loss. Driven measuring rolls is another common torque control to zero rpm application. Exit tension rolls to pull through low traction systems is another.

Maybe it’s more about transitioning to the brakes in anticipation of using the brakes for holding the car?
 

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I wonder what the reason for that is. We do torque control on motors all of the way to zero rpm. A simple example is tension in a winding or payoff application and coming to a stop. We’ll even often use the motor for holding zero rpm instead of a mechanical brake. A mechanical brake is still present, but only used for power loss. Driven measuring rolls is another common torque control to zero rpm application. Exit tension rolls to pull through low traction systems is another.

Maybe it’s more about transitioning to the brakes in anticipation of using the brakes for holding the car?
This is what I suspect. Hydraulic brakes are needed anyway - for when higher g are needed, as backup etc. Then, at the lower speeds, on one side you need the ability to finely modulate the stopping, so the brake pedal would have to be tuned to “regen” exactly as much energy (power, rather) as the user expects. On the other side, there is an efficiency overhead to actually charging the battery, and when the braking power falls below that threshold you can’t really recuperate it - it has to be wasted as .. something (heat, in the form of a resistor). Besides, there is a benefit to constantly engaging the hydraulic brakes during daily driving. All of these together mean that it was probably easier to fine-tune blending than to make the electric motor be a user-friendly brake. And that’s just the act of stopping- holding would mean drawing from the battery enough to keep the car as a standstill, which means a lot of calculations per second to decide how much and in which direction (I imagine balancing on a unicycle would be a good analogy). It all sounds like unnecessary complexity.
 
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The car is already blending between regen and friction brakes as you press the brake pedal to come to a stop. It's hard to imagine it is beyond the engineers at Porsche to figure out what's being done by most of the EV manufacturers around the world and make a one-pedal version of this.

Instead it's clearly a philosophy argument, and I don't get that at all. If the purest enthusiast driving experience was their only goal, then surely all their cars would have 3 pedals.
 

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Great point, if other manufacturers can do this, why didn't Porsche.
In the wet I've had to quickly react and increase braking pressure as the speed drops below regen threshold.
Pulling into an EA stall I almost hit a post because of that.
In dry conditions the issue is still there, but being somewhat used to it I usually don't notice the two braking pressure steps.
However, If I'm following a car and using ACC, coming to a stop is seamless.
 


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Because they believe it is more efficient their way.............................................................
 

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I'm not a fan of the auto regen as I find it a bit unpredictable - though admittedly I've not used it much. However, I'd really like the option to have regen (not auto) default to ON in normal driving - it's a bit of a pain to have to remember to turn it on every time I start driving, though having a button on the wheel helps.
 
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Because they believe it is more efficient their way.............................................................
If efficiency was their only goal then all those weighty convenience features would be left out. We're just asking for another one, in software.
 


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I'm not a fan of the auto regen as I find it a bit unpredictable - though admittedly I've not used it much. However, I'd really like the option to have regen (not auto) default to ON in normal driving - it's a bit of a pain to have to remember to turn it on every time I start driving, though having a button on the wheel helps.
Hardly worth turning on - coasting is more efficient than any regen mode.
 
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Hardly worth turning on - coasting is more efficient than any regen mode.
Coasting is great with a clear road ahead. But when you need to slow down (or are descending an incline), then regen is required for maximum efficiency.
 

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Coasting is great with a clear road ahead. But when you need to slow down (or are descending an incline), then regen is required for maximum efficiency.
For descents coasting has to be much more efficient -next to no friction to slow you down and therefore greater distance can be travelled without using juice - little energy added back when overrun recuperation is active, in otherwords the chances are that you'll lose more energy than you gain (all other things being equal).
 
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For descents coasting has to be much more efficient -next to no friction to slow you down and therefore greater distance can be travelled without using juice - little energy added back when overrun recuperation is active, in otherwords the chances are that you'll lose more energy than you gain (all other things being equal).
The situations like this I find myself in require retardation to keep with in the speed limit, so regening.
 

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The car is already blending between regen and friction brakes as you press the brake pedal to come to a stop. It's hard to imagine it is beyond the engineers at Porsche to figure out what's being done by most of the EV manufacturers around the world and make a one-pedal version of this.

Instead it's clearly a philosophy argument, and I don't get that at all. If the purest enthusiast driving experience was their only goal, then surely all their cars would have 3 pedals.
Note my response was to @Jhenson29 observation about the behavior of the brake pedal/system below the regen threshold - that is, user choosing to brake.

One pedal driving is different: the user’s lift action is interpreted as “brake intent” (or not), depending on the profile of their lift (how much/how fast). So not only you’d have to solve the regen problem in my earlier post, you have to tune the same braking system when actuated from another switch (accel pedal). Yeah, it’s possible, but it’s added complexity for seemingly no purpose. It’s a much easier problem to solve without user input (innodrive/ACC). Yeah, other manufacturers solved it, but unclear if this feature is a differentiator in the marketplace. I suspect Porsche did not expect the Taycan to bring so many ex-Tesla drivers into the fold, so perhaps the next generation/model may well have this feature.
 

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I'm not a fan of the auto regen as I find it a bit unpredictable - though admittedly I've not used it much. However, I'd really like the option to have regen (not auto) default to ON in normal driving - it's a bit of a pain to have to remember to turn it on every time I start driving, though having a button on the wheel helps.
I am the opposite!
I am accustomed to and now appreciate the coasting and find it a PITA when IC engine lift off simulation comes on when I select Sport.
 
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Note my response was to @Jhenson29 observation about the behavior of the brake pedal/system below the regen threshold - that is, user choosing to brake.

One pedal driving is different: the user’s lift action is interpreted as “brake intent” (or not), depending on the profile of their lift (how much/how fast). So not only you’d have to solve the regen problem in my earlier post, you have to tune the same braking system when actuated from another switch (accel pedal). Yeah, it’s possible, but it’s added complexity for seemingly no purpose. It’s a much easier problem to solve without user input (innodrive/ACC). Yeah, other manufacturers solved it, but unclear if this feature is a differentiator in the marketplace. I suspect Porsche did not expect the Taycan to bring so many ex-Tesla drivers into the fold, so perhaps the next generation/model may well have this feature.
Most EV brands including young Chinese companies can all do this, so any perceived "complexity" will hardly be beyond Porsche engineers. It's also not for "no purpose". For many (not all) it's a very relaxed way to drive. I agree it will be interesting to watch future developments across the Porsche range on this.
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