break in, run in, gentle early miles/Kms?

[daveo4EV]

The review below includes back-to-back 0-100kph tests of a Turbo Sedan, first with LC at 3.16 seconds, then without LC at 3.26 seconds. In the "real" world of traffic-light grand prix, that difference might be less significant than variation in reaction times (even if we ignore the additional prep time of engaging LC).
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comparision is with car in sports plus (you can see it on the drive mode in the video) - I drive around town in Normal…

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[WuffvonTrips]

comparision is with car in sports plus (you can see it on the drive mode in the video) - I drive around town in Normal…

So do I...and I switch to Sport or Sport+ when I want maximum performance. I understand the criticism of LC being a faff to initiate, but I don't have a problem switching drive modes according to my mood, in fact I appreciate having less sensitive throttle response around town.

 

[daveo4EV]

So do I...and I switch to Sport or Sport+ when I want maximum performance. I understand the criticism of LC being a faff to initiate, but I don't have a problem switching drive modes according to my mood, in fact I appreciate having less sensitive throttle response around town.

agreed - Taycan is hard to beat when prepared - I love it - but unprepared the vehicle is underwhelming for an EV (if not in sports plus)…I also adjust based on mood and range requirements - but I'm still a bit miff'd that my super fast world class EV sports sedan is slower from a stop light vs. a soccer mom with kids in the back of a Model Y if she nails it and I haven't "prep'd" my Taycan…it should be fast "always" if I nail the throttle - software could "fake" a launch control if I nail the throttle - i shouldn't have to "prepare" - I understand for ICE motors you had to prep the transmission and have the motor at high RPM's - this is an EV - it's different - full power always when I request it - no prep!

 

[Dave Birch]

perhaps not the best avatar picture to be doling out this advice?

Ouch

 

[Dave Birch]

agreed - Taycan is hard to beat when prepared - I love it - but unprepared the vehicle is underwhelming for an EV (if not in sports plus)…I also adjust based on mood and range requirements - but I'm still a bit miff'd that my super fast world class EV sports sedan is slower from a stop light vs. a soccer mom with kids in the back of a Model Y if she nails it and I haven't "prep'd" my Taycan…it should be fast "always" if I nail the throttle - software could "fake" a launch control if I nail the throttle - i shouldn't have to "prepare" - I understand for ICE motors you had to prep the transmission and have the motor at high RPM's - this is an EV - it's different - full power always when I request it - no prep!

As Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear when contrasting a DB11 with a BMW850. “Yes, but you don’t want to lick a BMW”. Tesla interior vs Taycan - no contest. Tesla blob vs Taycan style - same. I know which one I want to lick - my Taycan CT.

 

[daveo4EV]

As Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear when contrasting a DB11 with a BMW850. “Yes, but you don’t want to lick a BMW”. Tesla interior vs Taycan - no contest. Tesla blob vs Taycan style - same. I know which one I want to lick - my Taycan CT.

we can have both - it's an arbitrary (unsupported in my opinion) decision by Porsche to have top performance 'behind' some settings - we can lick it and not have to prep it - it's a bit of old school ICE engineering peaking from behind the curtain that is a relic…I'm not saying sports plus + launch control couldn't be ideal and slightly better - but normal mode should be far far less anemic if I've nailed the throttle (driver intention is clear at that point - they are requesting full power NOW).

I'm not trading my Taycan for a Tesla Plaid anytime soon - but for what we paid a blob run of the mill $50k SUV shouldn't be quicker because ultimate performance is behind some settings rarely accessed and frankly arbitrarily sequestered for no viable reason other than historical norms…time to change.

but yeah I agree 100% Taycan is better and I'm not switching - it's just one thing Porsche needs to "tune" to get right and fully on board with this whole EV thing…

 

[Sarah's dog chariot]

nooooooooooooooo??????!!!!! real ?? must be......... what???? so many questions !!!!!!!!!!

 

[daveo4EV]

nooooooooooooooo??????!!!!! real ?? must be......... what???? so many questions !!!!!!!!!!

hope I'm not late to teh party here - but I think it was staged - good video - but no reason for that.

 

[Sarah's dog chariot]

hope I'm not late to teh party here - but I think it was staged - good video - but no reason for that.

Oh!! wow !!! `Phew.... poor gorgeous Taycan otherwise ...... plus I should have guessed that from all the cameras conveniently at the ready ! I did think it was utterly weird..... poor car... unless it was that 'movie glass' x

 

[daveo4EV]

Oh!! wow !!! `Phew.... poor gorgeous Taycan otherwise ...... plus I should have guessed that from all the cameras conveniently at the ready ! I did think it was utterly weird..... poor car... unless it was that 'movie glass' x

I think it was 'real' in that it was a real taycan, real glass - but camera's ready - and no other cars in the way - it was a "clear" path to the window and no cars parked outside the window either…I have no facts but it seems odd that an accident like that only took out the window - but I believe it was not movie glass, and also the Taycan was damaged somewhat - but I think that was all part of the plan - pay for the taycan's damage and the window, and we get a great video...but I'll never know for sure

I just find it all a little to "contained" in terms of damage.

now this was "accidential" -

thankfully no one was hurt but I doubt it was 'staged'

 

[Sarah's dog chariot]

I think it was 'real' in that it was a real taycan, real glass - but camera's ready - and no other cars in the way - it was a "clear" path to the window and no cars parked outside the window either…I have no facts but it seems odd that an accident like that only took out the window - but I believe it was not movie glass, and also the Taycan was damaged somewhat - but I think that was all part of the plan - pay for the taycan's damage and the window, and we get a great video...but I'll never know for sure

I just find it all a little to "contained" in terms of damage.

now this was "accidential" -

thankfully no one was hurt but I doubt it was 'staged'

nooooooooooooo what ??? again ... more Taycan related trauma !!! that's crazy !! I assume accidentally hitting accelerate instead of the brake or something equally silly but massively damaging !!!! Imagine the embarrassment ! taking out the cars of two neighbours !!! oh my god !! time to move xxx

 

[daveo4EV]

nooooooooooooo what ??? again ... more Taycan related trauma !!! that's crazy !! I assume accidentally hitting accelerate instead of the brake or something equally silly but massively damaging !!!! Imagine the embarrassment ! taking out the cars of two neighbours !!! oh my god !! time to move xxx

yeah this happened early in the Taycan's selling cycle - 2020 or there abouts - IIRC driver was fumbling around in back seat head turned and slipped off brake onto accelerator…Taycan's power took it from there - move the SUV that was "in the way" like a boss and proceeded to launch itself off the retaining wall - no injuries IIRC - but some property damage…but a legit accident vs. that dealership shenanigans which I've got to believe was staged for youTube clicks.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Acceleration at a given rate will take a calculable power that’s the same regardless of gearing and thus stresses the battery the same. ....

Oh, look who's back!

 

[Jhenson29]

Oh, look who's back!

I’m only kind of back. I took delivery of a new 911 last weekend. That (and TYD) has been my preoccupation for the last few months. I’ll probably continue to be preoccupied…. ?
But I’m out of town this week. So, no car (and no more TYD)…

 

[Winterfell]

Yes it is. Ludicrous/Plaid on Tesla on the other hand is throttle response mapping, available at all times, so not the same thing / same purpose as you originally suggested. I think full power of Tesla is always available when you floor the accelerator btw, even in Chill Mode. Not on a Taycan, sadly full power only available in LC mode which has to be activated while stopped and only few seconds before use.

Thank you for your response. I did some research and it is all to the contrary what you have stated.

I understand you are not a fan of Porsche Taycans Launch Control and you have to stand to activate it, which is the hole purpose. More so, Tesla has the exact same feature, which is called Launch Mode, since 2015, hm. The main difference, you can only use it, when the battery pack has the specified temperature, which can take up to one hour depending on ambient temperature. Porsche is available when Sport modes are selected, but you need the sport chrono package of course, classic Porsche.

Tesla chill mode has no flooring possibility, chill is chill and has moderate acceleration. The only Tesla which has power along the way is Plaid, which has e-motors and has therefore a different performance then a dual motor config. Not comparable until Porsche releases its Taycan GT. In Ludicrous/Insane/Ludicrous+/Insane+, it is more a boost mode compared to other EV and Porsche as well. Porsche has 3sec I believe and it could very much be that Tesla offers a bit longer, which I don’t know. The max torque is clearly only available in the get go and after a certain speed (50 mph maybe) it tapers off. Much slower then an ICE of course, but noticeable. Even Tesla mentions it on the homepage that with the Plaid/Ludicrous mode you will notice a lower response at higher speeds. Therefore the max torque is only available at launch for both, Tesla and Porsche. The Porsche Taycan boost during freeway drives, just like the Tesla as well as the Audi E-Tron, the effect though is not as extrem as it is at launch. Tesla again have 1-2 sec longer period, which is fine. Every car manufacturer have their own strategy, similar to any Rennsport team have their strategy when going into a race.

Tesla in a similar manner, changes the mode automatically. For the Tesla X, when Ludicrous+ is activated, it will either deactivate when you return to your car or on longer journeys after 3 hours.

Tesla mentioned clearly on their homepage that Insane+/Ludicrous+ should not be used daily, rather occasionally as it will have a significant impact on wear and tear and the longevity of the motor and battery. In essence, when you constantly use it, you might loos your warranty, as the warranty says, covered under normal use. The same warning was mentioned for heavy use of Launch Mode, again, the same as Porsche Launch Control. Some Tesla users have reported that after a certain use of Launch Mode, it deactivates, and this is pure speculation and no evidence to back it up. It is user experience.

I have learned that all EVs incl Tesla have technically two gears. The front and rear motor have different ratios for efficiency in a dual motor config. Porsche Taycan in this case would have three gears, in a similar way as it is being used in the Formula E sport for efficiency. Can really all manufacturers be wrong if a gearbox makes no sense?

Here is the link to the Tesla homepage which outlines it and you can have a look on the weekend if you are boarded together with IEEE research paper from the other post.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/...UID-E692415D-F83C-4F07-B30A-9E50499CFC30.html

This is all based on facts from Tesla, if you want to rebuttal, you are a true Tesla Fan and I wonder why you drive a Porsche Taycan?

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