Feedback requested from Taycan owners on PSCB over time…

[RAHRCR]

Curious for those that have been using them for a while, (X months, KMs/Miles) as to your impressions when using them on a daily driver. Things like:

1. Have they been quiet/noisy?
2. Any noticeable difference in cold weather? (I have seen some posts about wet weather already)
3. Considering the regen, do they feel “natural” when engaging them during normal driving conditions?
4. How often are you cleaning up brake dust? Are the white calipers a hassle to access/clean?

I am not looking to open a debate about whether or not the brakes are worth the expense, as I know there are strong opinions both ways. I really would like to understand what the experience is like for those that have them for these questions. They would help me to decide whether or not it is worth it to me.

Appreciate the feedback.

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[f10tt]

4 months exactly today. 4500 miles.

1. Have they been quiet/noisy?
Under 5mph we developed a little squeal when they're cold. It tends to go away.

2. Any noticeable difference in cold weather? (I have seen some posts about wet weather already)
Not that I've realized, but yes in wet weather they do suffer some performance loss.

3. Considering the regen, do they feel “natural” when engaging them during normal driving conditions?
When the friction brakes hit with the PSCBs you can feel the difference between that and regen if you're really hitting them. Otherwise the brake blending is really, really good.

4. How often are you cleaning up brake dust? Are the white calipers a hassle to access/clean?
Disclaimer: my wheels and calipers are coated with OptiCoat PRO3.

Never. I just washed the car yesterday and 99% of the grime on the wheel was general road grime. The calipers are super easy to reach and there's almost no brake dust every two weeks or so between washed.

 

[RAHRCR]

4 months exactly today. 4500 miles.

1. Have they been quiet/noisy?
Under 5mph we developed a little squeal when they're cold. It tends to go away.

2. Any noticeable difference in cold weather? (I have seen some posts about wet weather already)
Not that I've realized, but yes in wet weather they do suffer some performance loss.

3. Considering the regen, do they feel “natural” when engaging them during normal driving conditions?
When the friction brakes hit with the PSCBs you can feel the difference between that and regen if you're really hitting them. Otherwise the brake blending is really, really good.

4. How often are you cleaning up brake dust? Are the white calipers a hassle to access/clean?
Disclaimer: my wheels and calipers are coated with OptiCoat PRO3.

Never. I just washed the car yesterday and 99% of the grime on the wheel was general road grime. The calipers are super easy to reach and there's almost no brake dust every two weeks or so between washed.

Thanks for the complete response. It seems that you have had a good overall experience with them. Does the wet weather performance impact your confidence in using the brakes? Lastly, I know I asked alot of questions but are there any other thoughts you have about the brakes?

 

[f10tt]

Thanks for the complete response. It seems that you have had a good overall experience with them. Does the wet weather performance impact your confidence in using the brakes? Lastly, I know I asked alot of questions but are there any other thoughts you have about the brakes?

No they still work great when wet and after heating up a little but those first initial stops you can feel the pedal travel a little further.

I love the brakes and I'm very happy I went ahead and got the Mission E/PSCB combo.

 

[RoseyPSU]

I just hit 10,000 miles this past weekend and my experience is as follows:

1. Have they been quiet/noisy?
I only notice/hear a squeaking in when the brakes are wet for the first stop or two.

2. Any noticeable difference in cold weather? (I have seen some posts about wet weather already)
No difference in cold vs. warm. Cold and wet may be a little worse than warm and wet. And to quickly address the issue with wet PSCB: I personally don't think it's an issue once you're used to it and understand what is happening. Because our cars use regen for the vast majority of stopping, it's really only noticeable the first time of the drive when the car switches from regen to manual braking. When they're wet, the manual braking needs a little more "umph" but because you're already almost at a stop, it's usually only for the last 5mph or less. It's not an issue for me because I know it's going to happen when it's raining and I know exactly when it's going to happen by looking at the power/regen meter. That being said, if my wife or someone else was using my car for the firs time in the rain, I would be sure to point it out, because if you're not used to it, it can be alarming.

3. Considering the regen, do they feel “natural” when engaging them during normal driving conditions?
Normal driving 100%. With wet brakes, you need more pressure when the transition from regen to PSCB as described above.

4. How often are you cleaning up brake dust? Are the white calipers a hassle to access/clean?
Aside from possibly tracking the car, this is the most amazing thing about the PSCB. No brake dust. Because regen is doing most of the braking and with the PSCB on top of that, I have never in my life had a car with such little brake dust. It's amazing.

 

[Norfolkporsche]

I had them on my 2020 4S for 7,000 miles.

1. Have they been quiet/noisy? Completely quiet. Car was garaged (heated) if that makes any difference.

2. Any noticeable difference in cold weather? (I have seen some posts about wet weather already). Nothing that I noticed, but in really wet weather, I noticed a deterioration in braking when driving slowly in an outdoor car park.

3. Considering the regen, do they feel “natural” when engaging them during normal driving conditions? Completely natural, and that was coming out of a 991.2 GTS Targa.

4. How often are you cleaning up brake dust? Are the white calipers a hassle to access/clean? No brake dust on mine.

I have PCCB on my Turbo S, but if they hadn't been an option, I would definately have specced the PSCB again.

 

[RAHRCR]

I just hit 10,000 miles this past weekend and my experience is as follows:

1. Have they been quiet/noisy?
I only notice/hear a squeaking in when the brakes are wet for the first stop or two.

2. Any noticeable difference in cold weather? (I have seen some posts about wet weather already)
No difference in cold vs. warm. Cold and wet may be a little worse than warm and wet. And to quickly address the issue with wet PSCB: I personally don't think it's an issue once you're used to it and understand what is happening. Because our cars use regen for the vast majority of stopping, it's really only noticeable the first time of the drive when the car switches from regen to manual braking. When they're wet, the manual braking needs a little more "umph" but because you're already almost at a stop, it's usually only for the last 5mph or less. It's not an issue for me because I know it's going to happen when it's raining and I know exactly when it's going to happen by looking at the power/regen meter. That being said, if my wife or someone else was using my car for the firs time in the rain, I would be sure to point it out, because if you're not used to it, it can be alarming.

3. Considering the regen, do they feel “natural” when engaging them during normal driving conditions?
Normal driving 100%. With wet brakes, you need more pressure when the transition from regen to PSCB as described above.

4. How often are you cleaning up brake dust? Are the white calipers a hassle to access/clean?
Aside from possibly tracking the car, this is the most amazing thing about the PSCB. No brake dust. Because regen is doing most of the braking and with the PSCB on top of that, I have never in my life had a car with such little brake dust. It's amazing.

Thank you. This has been very helpful. After reading some of the other posts about these brakes, it was hard to get a real sense of what they are like to live with in real world conditions. Much appreciated.

 

[Archimedes]

No noise, regen works perfectly, zero brake dust.

 

[DerekS]

13K miles here. No issues and no dust, I'm really happy with them.

I do live in fear of the 8K brake job I will one day need, but my salesman tells me that will take 6 years or so. I don't think he knows my driving style so, we'll see

 

[Miwa]

No noise, regen works perfectly, zero brake dust.

This is my experience on my 2020. I only know I have them when I go to clean the wheels and then I'm sooooo happy.

 

[Dslev]

Curious for those that have been using them for a while, (X months, KMs/Miles) as to your impressions when using them on a daily driver. Things like:

1. Have they been quiet/noisy?
2. Any noticeable difference in cold weather? (I have seen some posts about wet weather already)
3. Considering the regen, do they feel “natural” when engaging them during normal driving conditions?
4. How often are you cleaning up brake dust? Are the white calipers a hassle to access/clean?

I am not looking to open a debate about whether or not the brakes are worth the expense, as I know there are strong opinions both ways. I really would like to understand what the experience is like for those that have them for these questions. They would help me to decide whether or not it is worth it to me.

Appreciate the feedback.

Driven 6K miles on them.

Noise: A bit of squeak now and again, nothing major or persistent

Difference in cold weather: a bit less efficient until warm, I have noticed in wet weather, as have others in places like Seattle, that they are also less efficient at times when wet. (tbh I live in SoCal, so we see one day a year of rain, so my exposure to wet weather is limited but I did experience the lesser braking)

Natural feel: no, the brakes take getting used to, the pedal is inconsistent at times, but this seems to be all Taycan brake iterations (see Porsche memo regarding braking on the Taycan)

Cleaning: I have black calipers and painted black rims...Never get dirty, no brake dust or minimal at best. Just took a 600 mile road trip, wheels were far cleaner than the rest of the vehicle at the end of the trip.

I've attached the brake memo.

 

[RAHRCR]

Your feedback and the Porsche Memo are extremely helpful. Thank you. The way I understand the memo is that all of the brake options (including steel) behave this way because of the regen. Is that your understanding as well?

 

[Dslev]

Your feedback and the Porsche Memo are extremely helpful. Thank you. The way I understand the memo is that all of the brake options (including steel) behave this way because of the regen. Is that your understanding as well?

Yes. I think it has to do with pedal feel as it interacts with the computer systems and regenerative systems, so they will all be affected.

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