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Guessometer, Fact or Fiction

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We all use the Range Estimates as calculated by the car, but are they accurate?

Using the data from my recent cold weather test, I looked at the error between the estimated range and the actual range. The Total distance covered was 338km/210.1m Observations were recorded at 2 minute intervals yielding 83 discrete data points for the trip, equivalent to 83 forecasts by the Guessometer.

The results are shown in two quick and dirty scatter plots. The first for metric users and the second for Imperial users. Each observation is 2 minutes apart from its neighbor. A rough interpretation is that the Guessometer starts out inaccurate and then converges to the point where there is little error.

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The car attempts to forecast the range based on past behavior
Initially this is not very accurate. The plots show a large relative error initially which eventually converges to the actual range
Each person will have their own estimate as to what is an acceptable miss and how long the miss persists until corrected.
The car was put on cruise control as soon as practicable
This is probably the easiest calculation for the Guessometer to perform. Constant speed with few outside interferences
Cruise control was initiated within the first 10 minutes of departure and then maintained as long as conditions permitted
In this case mostly until the half way point out and then most of the way back until traffic required it to be disengaged
If the Guessometer were perfectly accurate the Range Error would quickly decline to 0
The Guessometer, at constant velocity became extremely accurate after 60 minutes
Probably pretty accurate after 40 minutes
Once the Guessometer settled in and speed remained constant, it remained very accurate
The decline to zero at the end is because the test was terminated at 10% battery charge and the estimate became the range

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The initial error could easily be corrected by Porsche with what should be an easy software fix. The car knows most of the parameters but it doesn't know the speed at which the driver intends to travel and it might not know the outside temperature. If it let the driver input an expected speed and air temperature
it could start out quite a bit more accurate. If the drivers estimate turned out wrong, the Guessometer would eventually correct the error.

If it was implemented in the APP on your mobile phone, the driver could test for travel at different speeds from the comfort of his favorite chair. I think this would be useful.




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This has been my experience. The guessometer (+Nav meter) start off quite a bit off but get dialed in to a pretty accurate number after 20-30 miles.
 

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These are interesting observations. I have to admit the error looked pretty dramatic before I realized that the scale of the X-axis is very different than the scale of the Y-axis!

It's probably also worth mentioning that there's two ways to answer the "Fact or Fiction" question posed in your subject. One is an absolute answer, which you provided, but the other is the relative answer. Relative to other EVs (I driven many and owned a couple) I find the Guessometer in the Taycan to be dramatically more accurate. I think it would be very telling to plot Tesla Model S accuracy, for example, along with the Taycan. I think that's a much more useful answer to "Fact or Fiction" for most potential owners than the absolute discrepancy over time.
 

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my personal experience is that the error is inconsequential for the Navigation estimate - I use it as a “ball park” figure - I dial in my destination and see what the car estimates my battery percentage will be at the destination

if the answer is 10% - I’m more worried than if hte answer is 33% - basically I use the computer to estimate if I’m going to have plenty of battery when I get there and assume it’s off by 5 or 10% - if I’m above the 5 or 10% threshold the estimate really doesn’t matter…cause I know I can modify my driving style en-route to gain some % as I see the burn down… during the trip.

however in both cases as long as I‘m sticking the general route plan and +/- 5 mph of the speed limit I’ve found both the Tesla and Porsche PCM navigation estimates to be reliable enough to dpend on them - with both coming in at 2 or 3% “off” original estimates - which in my book is very very accurate given the variables of EV driving…

basically if the nav says you’re arriving with 30% - great make the trip - but you’ll have to charge some where on the way back - so it doesn’t matter if you arrive with 35% or 15% - you’ll make it
if hte nav says you’re going to arrive with 7% battery - you might want to temper your enthusiasm for the right pedal, and make sure you have consulted plug-share about chargers in vincity and along route…

basically i don’t care about hte actual number - rather the ball park of the estimate tells me all I need to know - single digit %’s mean be careful - more than 15-20% you’re probably fine, but will need a charging plan.

but big internet thanks to @JimBob for real live data - I simply LOVE data…
 

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One thing I do appreciate is the Nav underestimates but not to an extreme extent.

If it says you can make it, you can make it.

If it says you'll barely not make it, you can probably make it.

If it says you'll definitely fall short, you probably will.

I've found the Nav to be consistently accurate to within 7 or 8% to begin a trip and ends up within 2%.
 


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Having driven 21000+km now and having paid special attention do this - I agree with above.
I'm very impressed with the guessometer and have grown more and more
comfortable with it. As long as I have +3% on destination I'm good. (and that normally creeps up to +5-6-7% @ destination)

What the guessometer DOES NOT account for, though;
Traffic accidents (having to wait/slow down for 1+ hours with AC running will eat up your precious remains)
Charging stations not working (not an issue -at all- where I live, but reading on forums it seems like some countries counting length in miles are having electric infrastructure issues.)
Et cetera.

So, while the guessometer is very good at interpreting available data, it obviously can't interpret data not available. That's where we humans come in and do a faily good job.
Expect the unexpected. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. ;)
 

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Having driven 21000+km now and having paid special attention do this - I agree with above.
I'm very impressed with the guessometer and have grown more and more
comfortable with it. As long as I have +3% on destination I'm good. (and that normally creeps up to +5-6-7% @ destination)
Thanks @JimBob for sharing all of these data and doing the hard work.

I agree with Gubbjävel, it is quite impressive with this accuracy. I do not think I hve ever been even close to this in my ICE cars. Admitted they are not the most frugal with V8 and V12 engines.

When you look at the data provided and consider that the majority are within 2 miles, I do not think I can ask for any better.

Just as a side note it would probably have all data points within the +- 2 miles range if @JimBob had done another run after charging the car. Same distance and same procedure!

It would also be very interesting to compare the second run to the results from ABRP! Of course adjusting the consumption and weather etc from the first run inte the app.
 

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Since I charge as little as possible (lazy) and use the full range as much as possible (show me what you are made of) I totally rely on the "guessometer". It works great, besides:

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"Please monitor range" is polite.

This is angry car, wanting juice:

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