Help! Calling ex Tesla Model 3 owners

[daveo4EV]

Insinuating that the OP is a troll because he asks for feedback from current/former M3 owners is bordering on ridiculous.

Other than the last two points which are a bit strange to prefer understated looks (maybe prefers not to stand out in the crowd) and it being considerably cheaper (which surely doesn’t need any feedback on) the other queries are legitimate questions.

Some prefer one pedal driving and some don’t..it’s personal preference. Personally it’s something I feel I will miss when I make my move into the Taycan world but maybe I won’t..time will tell.

Performance again was something that’s steered me away from the RWD or even 4S (which I have driven) as it’s noticeably slower than a M3P. I’m going GTS.

The rest everyone admits the software is behind that of many other brands (Mercedes/BMW etc)

But no denying the Taycan is the ultimate drivers EV currently on the market and in my eyes the best looking which at least for me is the decisive factor when pursuing the GTS model.

1st ever post - interesting opening…

Sponsored

 

[jontybutts]

Don’t miss anything about M3P, the Taycan shows it for way at it is, cheap.

 

[TaycanBoss]

1st ever post - interesting opening…

Apologies. I didnt realise my post did not meet your expectations. I really want to avoid this thread descending into ridiculous talk. Thanks everyone so far who has made helpful contributions. In the meantime i'll be mindful to ensure i don't step out of line again

 

[daveo4EV]

Apologies. I didnt realise my post did not meet your expectations. I really want to avoid this thread descending into ridiculous talk. Thanks everyone so far who has made helpful contributions. In the meantime i'll be mindful to ensure i don't step out of line again

my apologies for suggesting you might be a troll - but we’ve seen this exact list of concerns from people that are less honorable than you appear to be.

Welcome to the forum and I look forward to your journey,

 

[daveo4EV]

Tesla makes the best EV that happens to be a car
Porsche makes the best car that happens to be an EV

both have strengths and weaknesses - and neither is perfect

Tesla does software as well as Porsche does mechanical engineeering
Porsche does Software as well as Tesla does mechanical engineeering

you only need look at the history of the two companies to see why that is the case

if you want a great car buy the Taycan
if you want a great EV buy the Tesla

it‘s all what you want to optimize for.

 

[WRC_1S]

I'm an unashamed Porsche fan. Loved them since I was a child. Tesla model 3 is the iPhone equivalent of a car. Hard to beat as a car. Fast, reliable, reasonably well priced. Porsche, whether it's a 356, 911, 918 or Taycan. Shit will go wrong! If you want reliable, VFM, fast in a straight line, don't buy a Porsche, if you want heritage, class, awe inspiring driving experience and soul with the evolution of an icon. Buy a Taycan.

 

[Windpower]

My two cents: I have a model Y and its fine. Its a pretty basic car which is fast (not my main interest) and has good basic functions though it's not terribly exciting. The range is not very good (I can drive about 200 miles before I need to recharge), the heating is just ok, the style of the car is 'eh' and the auto steer is just ok (I've had scary experiences and so I don't trust it on a crowded highway). The model Y is good, basic transportation.

I do like regenerative braking in the Y: I have had this on my last two EVs and I like regen a lot. That said, I have driven extensively in an Audi e-tron which has the same style regen as the Taycan and I have gotten used to it. Which do I prefer? Tesla regen. But I'm ok with the e-tron style braking. Hopefully in a couple of weeks my Taycan will land and I'll be using Taycan regen more than Tesla regen.

I personally did NOT like the model Y's single screen to the right of the steering wheel. I found having to look to the right just to check my speed and state of charge distracting. So I added a third party driver screen (similar to what you get in an S or X). This has improved my driving experience. No more looking to the right just to see what my speed is.

Bottom line: if you want a great driving car, get a Taycan. If you want a basic EV, get a Tesla 3 or Y.

 

[Reg]

If you want reliable,

If that is what you want, you definitely shouldn't go anywhere near a Tesla.

They have one of the lowest reliability rankings.

https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reliability-poor-2021/

Secondly, when the inevitable things go wrong, go with someone with a strong customer and service focus - not someone who will tell you it is "within spec" (you used your car outside, of course the screen will yellow over time) or be too busy to bother to look at your car.

 

[Jhenson29]

The reason i am looking at a Taycan is because its one of the best built EV car money can buy presently which is important to me after my experience with Tesla.

Personally, I wouldn’t spend $100k+ on a car I wasn’t in love with just because I thought the build quality was better.

I genuinely don’t understand the interest if the car doesn’t excite you.

Do other EVs not interest you?

 

[Bognar67]

Thanks for this. I have had some build quality issues with my Tesla which i'm sure comes at no surprise as this is well documented and known. The reason i am looking at a Taycan is because its one of the best built EV car money can buy presently which is important to me after my experience with Tesla.

I don't really feel like its necessary for me to defend myself and i'm quite surprised by some of the negative feedback. I am not here to waste peoples time or create conflict. Regarding my last two comments, understated looks and value for money are not "strange" - again i'm not sure why i need to elaborate or defend these points

Well, I totally understand how you fell... Some Taycan Forum guys will take you to pieces heir if your approach is not fully Porsche/Taycan fanatic.

On the other hand the guys who answered (not questioned) you offered valuable infos. Pick them up/forget the others.

 

[Coooler]

I have a Tesla Model 3 performance and i am strongly considering moving to a Taycan RWD or 4S however before i do this i would be really grateful if any ex Tesla Model 3 owners could provide their own insights including any regrets in making a similar move. I have made a list of the key areas that i think i would miss if i left Tesla:

• One pedal driving
• 0-60 3.1s without needing launch control
• Tesla Auto pilot
• Integrated dash cam and sentry mode
• Supercharger network
• Lack of regular servicing requirements
• Tesla app
• Understated looks
• Considerably cheaper

So again any feedback whatsoever would be appreciated : )

Thanks!

Hi, former M3P owner here, now in a CT4.

One pedal driving	I haven't found I've really missed this, and used to use it very regularly on my M3P. It's handy having the regen button on the wheel, I'd say the effect is about a third of M3P OPD.
0-60 3.1s without needing launch control	I haven't driven the RWD, but test drove a CT4S, and now own a CT4 - it's plenty fast enough for me (think I needed to calm down a bit anyway). Consensus seems to be 4S is the sweet spot.
Tesla Auto Pilot	I do miss this - I have ACC (but not innodrive) on my CT4, my main use case is in slow moving traffic which ACC takes the pain away from very smoothly, but if you're a heavy auto pilot user, you will miss it
Integrated dash cam and sentry mode	Yep, miss these too. I optioned surround view parking (which is unbelievably and unacceptably bad) so even just the ability to record from those cameras would be nice but isn't possible
Supercharger network	Hmm, the SN was so faultless that I soon lost all range anxiety with the M3P. I haven't been on a longer-than-range trip in the CT4 yet but don't have the same level of confidence (which I accept is unfounded). Monitoring the trial of opening the SN to non-Tesla's in Norway.
Lack of regular servicing requirements	Service requirements for the CT4 seem pretty reasonable to me. As a tangential aside, I had cause to have the window trim of my M3P replaced and some guy turned up in trackies and a hoody in a very battered old Model S, ripped it off and did an awful job of fitting the new one, so I'd take actual service shops over that any day.
Tesla App	By FAR the biggest differential on your list between Tesla (gold standard) and Porsche (absolutely and totally appalling - almost indescribably bad) It's barely worth downloading. It loses connection constantly, you're never sure if the instructions you've sent to the car have actually been received given you're often besieged by error/failure messages. It doesn't even have feature parity with myporsche.com where I can, for example turn the lights on, or beep the horn which cannot be done from the app. I can see trip summaries on myporsche.com (similar to Teslafi if you know that, though not as fully featured) yet these aren't in the app, and I can't see or buy any of the FOD options from the app. This probably winds me up more than most because I work in IT, but to be honest, in my opinion it's an embarrassment to Porsche and it was the thing I spent most time feeding back on (in a hopefully constructive way) on my post-sale feedback survey.
Understated looks	Personal preference I guess
Considerably cheaper	Again, personal circumstances dependent - I was happy with what I paid for my M3P, and I'm happy with what I paid for my CT4!

Overall, as a techie, and an early adopter, I loved having a M3P and enjoyed it for what it was - but wouldn't go back, and am far happier with my current car - I enjoy driving, and that experience is night and day better in the Porsche, as well as being a far nicer place to spend time fit and finish wise (as it should be given the cost).

 

[Reg]

Some Taycan Forum guys will take you to pieces heir if your approach is not fully Porsche/Taycan fanatic.

Oh please, this has nothing to do with being a fanatic. It someone shows up, lists the things that they would miss, like the car braking for them and sort of driving for them and looking like a duck-billed frog and being much cheaper isn't sincere that they are seriously considering a Taycan.

Particularly not sincere since no mention of wanting to know how the Taycan does on some of the downsides of Tesla (it not only brakes, it randomly brakes for you, the quality of the ride, the noise of the ride, the service, etc).

 

[hshm]

If these features are important to you, you should probably stick with Tesla.

Former Tesla owner here. Other than the fact that the Model 3 and Taycan are powered by electric motors, they have almost nothing else in common.

Teslas are like appliances. They are the perfect car for people who don’t like cars. They will get you from point A to point B with incredible range, an outstanding charging network, and world-class software and autonomous driving capabilities. They’re like those high-end Samsung refrigerators with the built-in tablet and cameras that will automatically order groceries when you’re out of milk (yes, that’s an actual thing).

Porsches are outstanding automobiles—period. Timeless design, exceptional materials (inside and out), fun-to-drive, incredible handling and driving dynamics. The last thing you want the Taycan to do is drive itself. It’s hard to describe unless you own a Porsche because the best things about it can’t be described in bullet-points; it’s the intangibles. Tesla, on the other hand, is clearly the better car on paper.

Anyway, I would not recommend the Taycan to you, but best of luck with your decision.

 

[Taycan_SF]

This feedback exactly. I moved from M3P to CT4 as well and exactly what he said below.

would I go back to M3P? Or even Plad? Not likely…

Hi, former M3P owner here, now in a CT4.

One pedal driving	I haven't found I've really missed this, and used to use it very regularly on my M3P. It's handy having the regen button on the wheel, I'd say the effect is about a third of M3P OPD.
0-60 3.1s without needing launch control	I haven't driven the RWD, but test drove a CT4S, and now own a CT4 - it's plenty fast enough for me (think I needed to calm down a bit anyway). Consensus seems to be 4S is the sweet spot.
Tesla Auto Pilot	I do miss this - I have ACC (but not innodrive) on my CT4, my main use case is in slow moving traffic which ACC takes the pain away from very smoothly, but if you're a heavy auto pilot user, you will miss it
Integrated dash cam and sentry mode	Yep, miss these too. I optioned surround view parking (which is unbelievably and unacceptably bad) so even just the ability to record from those cameras would be nice but isn't possible
Supercharger network	Hmm, the SN was so faultless that I soon lost all range anxiety with the M3P. I haven't been on a longer-than-range trip in the CT4 yet but don't have the same level of confidence (which I accept is unfounded). Monitoring the trial of opening the SN to non-Tesla's in Norway.
Lack of regular servicing requirements	Service requirements for the CT4 seem pretty reasonable to me. As a tangential aside, I had cause to have the window trim of my M3P replaced and some guy turned up in trackies and a hoody in a very battered old Model S, ripped it off and did an awful job of fitting the new one, so I'd take actual service shops over that any day.
Tesla App	By FAR the biggest differential on your list between Tesla (gold standard) and Porsche (absolutely and totally appalling - almost indescribably bad) It's barely worth downloading. It loses connection constantly, you're never sure if the instructions you've sent to the car have actually been received given you're often besieged by error/failure messages. It doesn't even have feature parity with myporsche.com where I can, for example turn the lights on, or beep the horn which cannot be done from the app. I can see trip summaries on myporsche.com (similar to Teslafi if you know that, though not as fully featured) yet these aren't in the app, and I can't see or buy any of the FOD options from the app. This probably winds me up more than most because I work in IT, but to be honest, in my opinion it's an embarrassment to Porsche and it was the thing I spent most time feeding back on (in a hopefully constructive way) on my post-sale feedback survey.
Understated looks	Personal preference I guess
Considerably cheaper	Again, personal circumstances dependent - I was happy with what I paid for my M3P, and I'm happy with what I paid for my CT4!

Overall, as a techie, and an early adopter, I loved having a M3P and enjoyed it for what it was - but wouldn't go back, and am far happier with my current car - I enjoy driving, and that experience is night and day better in the Porsche, as well as being a far nicer place to spend time fit and finish wise (as it should be given the cost).

 

[svp6]

Secondly, when the inevitable things go wrong, go with someone with a strong customer and service focus - not someone who will tell you it is "within spec" (you used your car outside, of course the screen will yellow over time) or be too busy to bother to look at your car.

Guess this varies a bit.... The service guys at my Porsche dealership are awesome - really nice, trying to accommodate service visits on as short as possible notice. That is where the "strong customer and service focus" ended for me. My 4S was in the shop for close to 40 days - inability to connect to the server for remote access. This is longer than all the cars our family leased over last 20 years combined.... Problem is not lack of willingness to help, but rather lack of knowledge on how to troubleshoot. At the end they had to get a team in Germany to chime in.... Also less than impressed with the Porsche phone support - I would rate it on par with Tesla's (i.e., both abysmal).

Sponsored