New member, bought a Taycan 4S

[SergeyIndy]

Look, there’s another listing from the same dealer I bought mine with 100%…. I think It will not be the real SOH then

https://finder.porsche.com/es/es-ES...-4s-usado-6WEQRD?model=taycan&order=price_asc

This is another 2020. It is possible these are getting brand new batteries. A new battery replacement per my dealer retails at $85k and a refurbished is about half. We know that there are no more J1.1 batteries remaining so any replacements for any reason will be the latest J1.2 that have newer chemistry and larger capacity but emulating J1.1 capacity in J1.1 cars.

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[Vincent_Frederick]

I know I have read about that on this forum, but I don’t think that’s the case because all of their listings announce 100% battery, although all of them have few km, but as I see this car has a fast battery degradation on the first years wich I don’t understand why as the car has a very good battery cooling system, maybe it’s about how the LG batteries are built.
my Mini has 5 years and battery degraded 5% with 69k km, and the battery cooling system is light years worse than the Taycan. My Mini use CATL nmc cells, but the battery is so tiny 31.5kw or 33 or something like that and 29kw useful…. And that means many more cycles, and always charged at 100%

 

[Gkwan]

Sergey has definitely more experience than me, but I don't believe either 100% is possible for the reasons already mentioned.
1) A new vehicle doesn't have 100%, it's going to be 99ish - but let's assume the 5% margin of error makes it 95% it would still be very weird.
2) On a 5Y old car it's absolutely impossible, unless they changed the battery cells that were defective (ie not 100% of it).
That would cost at least 15K€, maybe 20, so how is the likeliness that they spent 15-20K€ to replace it, and still sell it to you 65K€
My statistical mind answers "0%" to that.
3) detailed ODB readings will give you the numbers if it's really a concern for you.

FYI I'm also buying a Taycan Turbo from my Porsche dealer in Paris, PA warranty 3Y, 37000km and They issued to me a signed/stamped one-pager where they commit the SoH is 91% "more or less", and that is in the highest range for a 5,5Y Taycan.

So as the esteemed Sergey advised, if you really want to know then you can either force them to do a thorough test, and deliver to you the full report (several pages), or you can do it yourself with these ODB tools.

 

[Vincent_Frederick]

Ok, finally took the car from the dealer, they sold me the car with the same experience as a new car, covered with a protector, unveiled in front of me, many gifts from Porsche, everything explained to me from a very nice guy named Mario that was a mechanic expert and works on formula cars and rallies, he told me the car was one of the best taken care of from previous owner, the interior was pristine, very caring owner for a car with 5 years.

they explained me the battery thing…. It is at 93% +/-5% error
I have a list of the extras, I will add them here in some minutes.
thanks everyone for your responses!

by the way I had to travel more than 500km to my home it’s a great car, it was showing me a stop of about 9 min on the route planner, car told me the route had a retention of about 1:30h from traffic so the car changed route to avoid that.

now charging a 93kw battery is not the same as charging the mini 33kw one that one I can fully charge on one night at home

 

[prj]

This is another 2020. It is possible these are getting brand new batteries. A new battery replacement per my dealer retails at $85k and a refurbished is about half. We know that there are no more J1.1 batteries remaining so any replacements for any reason will be the latest J1.2 that have newer chemistry and larger capacity but emulating J1.1 capacity in J1.1 cars.

I will correct something here, because this "refurbished" gets thrown around a lot.
The X part number battery is no more or less "refurbished" than a new one.

The X means exchange not "refurbished". They give you credit if you give them your old battery pack back. However, the new part you are getting is the exact same one either way.

Most of the stuff that goes back with X is just recycled - the manufacturers can get a fairly large tax break (or not get fined) if they recycle components, that's why they want the old one back. If you get the X part, but then don't give back the old part, you will have to pay the exact same price as the non-X component.

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