Porsche Digital Key

[Shug]

There are regular discussions about phone thefts, hopefully there would be a way to block the phone from also being a conduit to steal your car.

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[4424]

After driving Tesla's with PAAK since 2017 (way to keep up with tech Porsche), I can't stand having to get the FOB when I drive the Taycan. I don't have a key for my house or my Tesla so carrying a fob is annoying.

You don't have to get the phone out, open the app, press a button, etc. You just pull on the door handle and put your foot on the brake to unlock/start your car. Then when you walk away it automatically shuts off and locks.

 

[Fish Fingers]

Digital key wasnt something I ever thought about until we got 2 BMWs that both have it.

I got the key fobs, the app, a key card and also the Android Advanced Key (in the Samsung Wallet).
Different to the app as it works like a credit card (NFC) and gives you all the functionality of the standard key.

I still usually take the fob out and about.

But I find the card great when washing the car, as its not constantly locking and unlocking and not bulky in pockets.

The Advanced key has been useful a few times......
Out shopping with wife and going separate directions with parking meter overdue, give her the key and I can use phone depending on who is back first to move the car.

One time the fob was not working.

And you can also email it to someone if needed. Nearly used this at airport parking for a delayed flight.

 

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Digital key would be disastrous. I am sure it works 99% of the time. But with all the bitching and complaining on this forum about bluetooth having a bad day, PCM not recognizing phone, proximity blanking, do you really want to trust that the phone will always unlock your car and let you drive it? At best, you will still have to carry the FOB as a backup just in case a glitch pops up while you are out and about. And how does it work with a valet? Give them your phone?

 

[tigerbalm]

There are regular discussions about phone thefts, hopefully there would be a way to block the phone from also being a conduit to steal your car.

It is secured the same way as Apple pay and is generally safe from theft because of biometric factors.

 

[69Mach390]

There are regular discussions about phone thefts, hopefully there would be a way to block the phone from also being a conduit to steal your car.

They’d have to unlock your phone first (password protected) and get to your car before you disable the PAAK.

People steal car keys too, no special tech skills required.

Honestly it’s not a real world concern in the scheme of things and more secure than a key fob. People can use repeaters to steal your fob signal easier than your phone.

 

[69Mach390]

Digital key would be disastrous. I am sure it works 99% of the time. But with all the bitching and complaining on this forum about bluetooth having a bad day, PCM not recognizing phone, proximity blanking, do you really want to trust that the phone will always unlock your car and let you drive it? At best, you will still have to carry the FOB as a backup just in case a glitch pops up while you are out and about. And how does it work with a valet? Give them your phone?

You bring a fob if you’re going to valet.

And yes, the forum would be full of threads for when PAAK doesn’t work properly.

The backup for PAAK when it doesn’t work is a password. For my Mach E, you have a passcode to get in the door and another one to start the car.

You need contingencies. Kinda like how many cars have a physical door key if the fob isn’t working to get in the car.

 

[chun]

Digital key would be disastrous. I am sure it works 99% of the time. But with all the bitching and complaining on this forum about bluetooth having a bad day, PCM not recognizing phone, proximity blanking, do you really want to trust that the phone will always unlock your car and let you drive it? At best, you will still have to carry the FOB as a backup just in case a glitch pops up while you are out and about. And how does it work with a valet? Give them your phone?

It's not using Bluetooth, hence it's not backwards compatible

 

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It's not using Bluetooth, hence it's not backwards compatible

Whatever it uses will fail at some point. Good thing we’ll have the fob in our pocket.

 

[chun]

Whatever it uses will fail at some point. Good thing we’ll have the fob in our pocket.

How often has your credit card failed?
That's what it's using

The Fob is using a battery. Quickly, we must ban key fobs, as evil batteries will fail.
Physical keys are made from metal that can get damaged and the key no longer fits. Quickly, we must ban physical keys because they fail. Worse yet, it can be lost!
At the end of the day the doors of the cars should stay unlocked. But oh wait, the doors use hinges, which fail! Better remove the doors!

Should I go on?

 

[Shug]

They’d have to unlock your phone first (password protected) and get to your car before you disable the PAAK.

People steal car keys too, no special tech skills required.

Honestly it’s not a real world concern in the scheme of things and more secure than a key fob. People can use repeaters to steal your fob signal easier than your phone.

From what I understand, the phones are stolen / snatched from people while they are using them, this allows the thieves to reset the password to their own.

Agree that car keys get stolen, but we do not tend to hold our car keys out in the open where they can get snatched.

I have no experience of apps starting cars, so may not be significant in the real world.

 

[figure1a]

The receiving end of the credit card tech is the Porsche which fails with these features at the most inopportune times and with no easily explainable reason.

 

[chun]

From what I understand, the phones are stolen / snatched from people while they are using them, this allows the thieves to reset the password to their own.

Agree that car keys get stolen, but we do not tend to hold our car keys out in the open where they can get snatched.

I have no experience of apps starting cars, so may not be significant in the real world.

That's not true.
First of all to open the wallet it asks you to re-authenticate.
To actually see the data, it asks for your password.
Every time they try to make a payment, it checks for your authentication method.

It's the same with digital keys. Unless they steal my face or my password, they cannot use it, even if they steal my phone.
And iPhones at least can be disabled remotely, with 1 click, if stolen, directly from your pc or watch

A digital key is more secure, not less secure

 

[chun]

The receiving end of the credit card tech is the Porsche which fails with these features at the most inopportune times and with no easily explainable reason.

Porsche did not invent NFC chips

 

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Porsche did not invent NFC chips

No, but between Porsche and Apple to make the tech work 100% of the time will be 0%.

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