So, has there really been no credible news…

[voksic]

The yet-to-be-abandonned(?) 718 EV got spy-shot-ed during a test in France (with a Macan EV following it).

That's a Cayenne

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[Sly_North]

That's a Cayenne

Actually I just notied there were 3 cars: 718, Macan and Cayenne

 

[chun]

they seem to be testing the new fake gearshift

 

[Fun TC Driving]

Suggesting but of course no yet confirming the two separeate articles in TheDrive we already have here, that the 2027 Taycan will have both simulated virtual PDK and V8 sounds. It will be easily on/off for those who want and those who never want. An option or standard is something else we do not yet know…

Fingers crossed this occurs for the 2027 Taycan.

 

[Kakatus10]

I'd prefer real driver engagement back, like an optional 3rd pedal mode have it drop down when engaged in said mode. Have it look exactly like a clutch but only have it do some type of braking.

1a) When the mode isn't engaged act like a Tesla where the regen is built into the accelerator pedal alone.

When engaged, all regen braking is built into 3rd pedal

Always make the brake pedal pure friction. So engineers can focus on putting other aspects over feel of blending regen with friction.

2) Alternatively have the 3rd pedal always exist and active. But only control rear axle blended braking have the main pedal do both axles blended braking. That way you can trail brake for turn ins and it's always on and completely optional to use. Not intimidating to buy.

 

[chun]

I'd prefer real driver engagement back, like an optional 3rd pedal mode have it drop down when engaged in said mode. Have it look exactly like a clutch but only have it do some type of braking.

1a) When the mode isn't engaged act like a Tesla where the regen is built into the accelerator pedal alone.

When engaged, all regen braking is built into 3rd pedal

Always make the brake pedal pure friction. So engineers can focus on putting other aspects over feel of blending regen with friction.

2) Alternatively have the 3rd pedal always exist and active. But only control rear axle blended braking have the main pedal do both axles blended braking. That way you can trail brake for turn ins and it's always on and completely optional to use. Not intimidating to buy.

Sounds horrible and prone to accidents. People don't want to think what to press to break in case of emergency Not to mention that you would loseall the efficency gained from 90% of breaking being regen in the driving modes that don't have it as default - and with porsche's innefficent motors, thats 50 miles easily.

Buy yourself a manual car, they are still avaliable

 

[Kakatus10]

Sounds horrible and prone to accidents. People don't want to think what to press to break in case of emergency Not to mention that you would loseall the efficency gained from 90% of breaking being regen in the driving modes that don't have it as default - and with porsche's innefficent motors, thats 50 miles easily.

Buy yourself a manual car, they are still avaliable

The standard brake pedal in both options would still max out the brake capacity in emergency... no thought from the driver is required. Admittedly the 2nd option is dangerous. Brake capacity is always tire/traction limited these days. Adding physical brakes + regen isn't going to enhance the tire's ability to stop.

A 3rd pedal will give drivers the ability to max out and modulate regen while also allowing you to coast without playing with settings.

As a 3rd option instead of modulating, perhaps a bit of innovation to have a tactile point or 'click' in the pedal that you can feel will transition the into the physical brakes (versus trying to blend this point). This can also be done on a single brake pedal, which is a 3rd option.

I am just saying the EV space has a lot of room to innovate to give feedback and control back to the driver, it seems rather dead in this space.

For two, I do have a manual car... perhaps you should buy one They can actually be dangerous via losing all ability to accelerate via stalling or mis-shifting and cause an accident. If safety really was everyone's top concern we'd all be aggressively pursing driverless Waymo-like vehicles, which have 90% less accidents.

In any case it's obvious to me that most that EV sports cars lack driver engagement. Do you disagree and prefer more of a GT experience?

 

[chun]

In any case it's obvious to me that most that EV sports cars lack driver engagement. Do you disagree and prefer more of a GT experience?

People buy automatic 911s and consider them engaging

The solution is not 7 brake pedals. If it were, everyone would buy only manual 911s.

It's just loud noises for the monkey brain to feel happy, paired with good chasis control, and all automakers are already working on it. Mercedes will have v8 noises and virbations in the seat, porsche will too in all of their EVs past 2027, and BMW is developing it for their M line cars.

 

[Fun TC Driving]

Let’s see if it is true as TheDrive has stated when the reported that Porsche told their dealer conference in Atlanta last November, that the the 2027 Taycan has a virtual PDK that simulates torque gear changes and sounds (à la the Hyundai 5N), and that Porsche’s own physical PDK engineers themselves were impressed with the new system — that it felts a lot like a regular PDK.

Both of the separate TheDrive articles reporting these things, including also that major software changes are coming to the Taycan next model year, have already been posted in this forum.

We will find out roughly four months from now when the 2027 Taycan is officially introduced the accuracy of those pronouncements.

 

[chun]

Let’s see if it is true as TheDrive has stated when the reported that Porsche told their dealer conference in Atlanta last November, that the the 2027 Taycan has a virtual PDK that simulates torque gear changes and sounds (à la the Hyundai 5N), and that Porsche’s own physical PDK engineers themselves were impressed with the new system — that it felts a lot like a regular PDK.

Both of the separate TheDrive articles reporting these things, including also that major software changes are coming to the Taycan next model year, have already been posted in this forum.

We will find out roughly four months from now when the 2027 Taycan is officially introduced the accuracy of those pronouncements.

I've literarly posted a video with audio of it above, so it is true. It will release with the 718 EV, and then will be added to all other cars.
No taycan mules testing the system were spotted yet, but plenty of 718 ev mules testing it.

 

[chun]

they seem to be testing the new fake gearshift

And here's another one:

https://www.instagram.com/wilcoblok/reel/DWfyx5AjD5g/

 

[Kakatus10]

People buy automatic 911s and consider them engaging

The solution is not 7 brake pedals. If it were, everyone would buy only manual 911s.

It's just loud noises for the monkey brain to feel happy, paired with good chasis control, and all automakers are already working on it. Mercedes will have v8 noises and virbations in the seat, porsche will too in all of their EVs past 2027, and BMW is developing it for their M line cars.

Quite an unnecessary exaggeration. I'm not a fan of video game fake engagement, and fake shifts, having test drove the 5N (I was looking at the 6N potentially). I just want more control and connection over the systems and vehicle, not an emulation of a gasoline vehicle.
1) Give the driver the ability modulate between regen and physical brakes while allowing coasting.
2) Having potential 'boost' functions when motors/batteries able to safely do so
3) Having real feedback when in the real brakes via hydraulic brakes (see Lucid Motors)

Perhaps having a physical ability adjust the power split between front and rear axles such as via paddle shifters (Tesla M3P and Hyundai N models allow this config in menu), but on the fly would be an interesting 'gimmick')

 

[SoccerMan94043]

And here's another one:

https://www.instagram.com/wilcoblok/reel/DWfyx5AjD5g/

I love it as long as I have the option of turning off the sound. I love it double if it also has a convertible option (I'll likely have to trade my Taycan in).

 

[Fun TC Driving]

Even with its premier option of Active Ride, each one of its three separate components can be easily turned off or turned on. Expect the same for the new virtual PDK and its sound, that those two components would similarly be able to be separately turned on/off.

 

[Sar]

When will Porsche include the real nostalgic feature we're waiting for? If I buy PAR, I want the car to rapidly bounce up and down like a galloping horse to remind me of how my great, great, great, great, great grandparents felt when they traveled on horseback to the grocery store.

They should also allow us to roll down the windshield so we can feel the wind in our faces.

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