Taycan J1.2 charging improvements explained

[RAHRCR]

The challenge with bringing over other EV buyers is that they are primarily looking for industry standards like one pedal driving, class leading tech and gobs of range. This is not where Porsche shines. They need to make their own case for why the exist in the EV space.

Porsche’s efforts on the new 911 GTS and Turbo are good but examples of them doing things in a Porsche way and moving things forward at the same time. They need the “special sauce” for their EVs. HP, 0-60, range, and charging speeds are now a commodity.

Granted that they still hold a lead on suspension dynamics but that gap is narrowing.

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[prj]

Affordability- they still cost more and not everyone could afford them.

Look up NAXTRA. Sodium-Ion is scaling.
Once it does, EV's will cost way less than ICE, not more, because the batteries will cost 3-4x less, and that's when the switch will happen en masse. If you can get a better car for a third less, but it's electric, everyone will buy EV. Just look at Norway where they created this situation using taxation - 95% of new cars sold in 2025 are EV. It's always about the price!

You also don't need to heat Sodium-Ion batteries, they can operate in -40C, so the range in cold weather is MUCH better. Worse overall density though, so in summer less range. But similar to LFP.
This is coming, and I think before 2035. The first cars should be coming in China next year.

The challenge with bringing over other EV buyers is that they are primarily looking for industry standards like one pedal driving, class leading tech and gobs of range. This is not where Porsche shines. They need to make their own case for why the exist in the EV space.

You don't need "EV buyers". Once EV's are cheaper than gas cars, most people will go electric and they don't care about any of that.

 

[69Mach390]

Look up NAXTRA. Sodium-Ion is scaling.
Once it does, EV's will cost way less than ICE, not more, because the batteries will cost 3-4x less, and that's when the switch will happen en masse. If you can get a better car for a third less, but it's electric, everyone will buy EV. Just look at Norway where they created this situation using taxation - 95% of new cars sold in 2025 are EV. It's always about the price!

You also don't need to heat Sodium-Ion batteries, they can operate in -40C, so the range in cold weather is MUCH better. Worse overall density though, so in summer less range. But similar to LFP.
This is coming, and I think before 2035. The first cars should be coming in China next year.



You don't need "EV buyers". Once EV's are cheaper than gas cars, most people will go electric and they don't care about any of that.

Price is definitely a hurdle, but it’s not the only one. Norway did it the opposite way of what we need. We need cheaper not more expensive!

The reasons EVs struggle in certain markets are the same reasons that electric cars struggled over 100 years ago:

Price
Charging speed
Charging infrastructure
Range

People always talk about EV future technology that’s just around the corner and will “change everything,” but I’ll believe it when it actually makes it to mass market at an affordable price.

It’s not like electric cars are a brand new thing. They’ve been around as long as gas powered cars and we have been refining electric motors and batteries for over 100 years.

Yes the tech will get better, but I don’t think some amazing game changing tech is just around the corner. It’s likely going to be just incremental change like we have seen over the last couple decades.

I do hope I’m wrong. But even if they do figure out the battery problem, it’ll take many years from prototype to mass production.

I think that electric cars are the future, but batteries are just a stepping stone. If we can figure out a better fuel source to power EVs than a battery….. problem solved.

Batteries are just too heavy, expensive and slow to charge. We need a better fuel, not a better battery.

 

[W1NGE]

For how long is the real question, isn’t it?

2028 in the Porsche ecosystem

 

[W1NGE]

Look up NAXTRA. Sodium-Ion is scaling.
Once it does, EV's will cost way less than ICE, not more, because the batteries will cost 3-4x less, and that's when the switch will happen en masse. If you can get a better car for a third less, but it's electric, everyone will buy EV. Just look at Norway where they created this situation using taxation - 95% of new cars sold in 2025 are EV. It's always about the price!

You also don't need to heat Sodium-Ion batteries, they can operate in -40C, so the range in cold weather is MUCH better. Worse overall density though, so in summer less range. But similar to LFP.
This is coming, and I think before 2035. The first cars should be coming in China next year.



You don't need "EV buyers". Once EV's are cheaper than gas cars, most people will go electric and they don't care about any of that.

Public charging is expensive and potentially costlier than petrol in some countries.

There are already many cheap EVs (China has made sure of that) so price in my view is less less of a barrier.

Public perception, difficult infrastructure (the easy targets have been nailedl) and flim flaming government policy are the real challenges.

Adoption is low in NA and Europe apart from Notway, Sweden and Denmark.

Until the choices are taken away we'll be having the same debate in 20 years time.

 

[prj]

Public charging is expensive and potentially costlier than petrol in some countries.

There are already many cheap EVs (China has made sure of that) so price in my view is less less of a barrier.

EV are still much more expensive than a comparable gas car unless there's massive subsidies. For a cheap china EV you can get a decent German ICE car.

Until the choices are taken away we'll be having the same debate in 20 years time.

Nope, as said before, it's all about price. Once a good EV is 1/3 cheaper than a comparable ICE to buy, then the switch will happen. The infrastructure will also be built en-masse.

It's not really an argument - this already happened in Norway.

Example with Cupra:
Right now e.g. for the price of a base Cupra Born you can get a well equipped Formentor VZ. Why would you buy the smaller less powerful electric car without incentives? Now if the Cupra born cost about 25k, then you'd see a lot more sales, and that's exactly what needs to happen, and it will.

Most people driving Taycans are very disconnected from the actual pricing of ICE vehicles. They are still 20-30% cheaper and until this changes no widespread adoption will occur.

 

[V8Turbo1974]

For me, the Taycan is cheaper. For a comparable Panamara, it’s still more expensive to run, same performance and personally, not as pretty. A 2020 911 that can keep up with my Taycan is out of my price range. I still have my petrol arch rival, the TVR, and it’s a totally different experience. And makes the Taycan look reliable .

 

[W1NGE]

EV are still much more expensive than a comparable gas car unless there's massive subsidies. For a cheap china EV you can get a decent German ICE car.


Nope, as said before, it's all about price. Once a good EV is 1/3 cheaper than a comparable ICE to buy, then the switch will happen. The infrastructure will also be built en-masse.

It's not really an argument - this already happened in Norway.

Example with Cupra:
Right now e.g. for the price of a base Cupra Born you can get a well equipped Formentor VZ. Why would you buy the smaller less powerful electric car without incentives? Now if the Cupra born cost about 25k, then you'd see a lot more sales, and that's exactly what needs to happen, and it will.

Most people driving Taycans are very disconnected from the actual pricing of ICE vehicles. They are still 20-30% cheaper and until this changes no widespread adoption will occur.

No incentives beyond a certain low price in UK - so that won't cut it.

Norway is a special case and has a more forward thinking government prepared to assist the transition to a much greater extent and has done so for many years. It also has vast hydro power to provide cheap electricity.

No one knows for sure but UK will drag it's heals for some decades to come (we always do).

If I lived in a tenement in Glasgow where it is impossible to home charge, unlikely to be on street charging and public charging is prohibitively expensive a cheap EV ain't going to help me.

Need to be more realistic than romantic in my view.

 

[W1NGE]

For me, the Taycan is cheaper. For a comparable Panamara, it’s still more expensive to run, same performance and personally, not as pretty. A 2020 911 that can keep up with my Taycan is out of my price range. I still have my petrol arch rival, the TVR, and it’s a totally different experience. And makes the Taycan look reliable .

You've conveniently ignored depreciation in the TCO calc - Taycan is a disaster - that's why I jumped to a 911 after 2 Taycans. Still have my home Porsche based charging ecosystem but for now it's a financial disaster as a private buyer to go back to an EV. Never say never but twice bitten and once shy.

 

[V8Turbo1974]

You've conveniently ignored depreciation in the TCO calc - Taycan is a disaster - that's why I jumped to a 911 after 2 Taycans. Still have my home Porsche based charging ecosystem but for now it's a financial disaster as a private buyer to go back to an EV. Never say never but twice bitten and once shy.

I’m a new owner of my 5 year old Taycan, so I’m hoping it’s finished depreciating. I sold my Cayman after 2 years and 30k miles for a profit, so I can’t complain. Great little car that was.
After witnessing a friend go through the i8 depreciation bomb, I do feel sorry for the private buyers that bought a Taycan.

 

[voksic]

Tell me, how is it looking for Porsche at the moment? More like 0,1 EV for every ICE sold. So nothing really changes. All this does is allow some exemption for supercar makers for the very rich.

 

[B61]

IMO, both of you (@W1NGE and @prj ) are right, but I also think that prices of new EVs are still the main reason why common buyer stays with ICE.
Yes, Taycan could be less expencive than Panamera… but Porsche buyers are minor in overall car marketshare.
Until EV versions of VW, Audi, Skoda, Citroen, Renault will not be (at least 10-20%) cheaper than their ICE, EV won’t prevail
Of course, we should not forget Chinese manufacturers from the future…once, when they’ll establish logistic and aftermarket support network, majority of the market will turn to them.
It’s just a matter of time….and history is going to repeat on the same way as happened with KIA, HYUNDAI…

Just my $0.02

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