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Tesla FSD Safety Stats Misleading

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Also FSD is likely to work better and be more efficient if everyone is FSD - take humans out of the equation and the FSD cars can talk to each other and go much faster safely.
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There are plenty of videos where FSD have prevented an accident through quick maneuvers where the driver wasn't even aware that there was danger.
Of course FSD can and has avoided accidents. Great! It doesn't mean it can drive all on its own 100% of the time (or else Tesla would have had it certified as Level 5).

I'm not sure if you have any first hand experience with FSD, but it will engage in almost all conditions short of the camera being blocked. It will engage in heavy rain, although like humans, the performance will be degraded compare to sunny weather. It doesn't need clear lane markings like other systems (mercedes, Ford, GM super cruise.)
I haven't driven on FSD in a couple of years. I did take RoboTaxi recently, it did ok (operator did not have a take over, but had to operate hazard lights manually - turned them on when we were getting into the car, then forgot to turn them off, car cleared 2 left turn signal intersections with hazards blinking before the operator realized and turned them off). That said, I don't see Tesla allowing (and taking full responsibility) for customers to just send their cars for service all by themselves (you know, when you go to bed, your car drives itself to Tesla service, they change the wipers, swap tires from winter to summer, change filters, send it back, customer has their car ready to roll in the morning). Heck, I don't even see Tesla committing to cover all damage (or any damage actually) caused while driving on FSD, so their own confidence is not that high. I'm talking about real confidence, not Elon's hot air statements which he's spewing out but not willing to back with any money (hey, remember Elon claiming Teslas were an appreciating investment, well, I tested that theory, Tesla employees laughed hard at me when I tried to lease some Teslas based on that statement being true. That didn't stop Tesla fanboys online to defend Elon's statement with a passion, but none of them wanted to put their money where their mouth is either).

Lemonade will give you a discount for having FSD engage. This is presumably because they feel that you are less likely to get into an accident with FSD than without.
50% off all miles if you engage FSD for some, or only discount for miles driven on FSD? Will they also commit to not raise your insurance if you keep on getting into accidents while on FSD because you didn't take over in time (or if FSD disengages and you don't take over - still FSD's fault for just "throwing its hand up")? If FSD is so safe, they should encourage people to let FSD drive all the time and never support less-save human take over, perhaps giving the greatest discount for any owner who will remove the steering wheel altogether.

40% of accidents are rear enders, usually due to the driver being distracted. This is one area where autonomous system have an edge as they don't get distracted. Do they still happen? Sure, but it's going to be much lower than the general driving public.
So 40% of accidents can be mitigated by Automatic Emergency Braking then. I haven't looked at most recent data, but last I looked at Tesla documentation its AEB only slowed down to under 30mph for read end collision, vs. others (like Subaru) came to a complete stop (IIRC this was EU NCAP testing).
 

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I feel like 90% of the comments here against FSD have never actually used it. My wife just got a cyberbeast and she primarily uses FSD for every drive. She even commented herself it drives way safer than she does.

No one is saying you shouldn’t pay attention when it’s driving it’s clearly indicated as supervised. If you don’t pay attention it is just irresponsible and is the same as someone doing something stupid in a regular car. You cant shoot for the weakest denominator and bad it off that. I have had to take over a couple times but it is a very rare instance and none of them were for something serious.

It has completely won me over and the vast majority of the time I take her truck I let it do the driving. It has numerous times reacted to things I didn’t even notice that were coming up behind me and I am a very attentive driver. It works so well we have decided on some trips to just let the truck drive us instead of having to do layovers. Right now her truck indicates it uses FSD 74% of the time.
 

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I bet if Tesla changed the name from FSD to SSD (Supervised Self Driving), which is what it is. The majority of negativity would disappear.
 

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I have a friend who was a former lead in product at Waymo. He said Tesla's refusal to use laser and radar is completely insane and untrustworthy.

Knowing his expertise, I would never trust my safety in a Tesla robotaxi. When my friend used FSD in the rain, with me in the car, l told him to slow down and put his hands on the wheel
 


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I have a friend who was a former lead in product at Waymo. He said Tesla's refusal to use laser and radar is completely insane and untrustworthy.

Knowing his expertise, I would never trust my safety in a Tesla robotaxi. When my friend used FSD in the rain, with me in the car, l told him to slow down and put his hands on the wheel
Overconfidence in “drivers assistance” features is a real problem.

With Ford Bluecruise, we had to spend a ton of time explaining to people how to drive with it.

Always pay attention and be ready to take over at any time. Do NOT treat it like a toy and see how long it takes the car to brake when you see a situation that requires braking.

Level 2 autonomous systems are there to help you be a safer driver, not replace you.

It’s not much different with simpler systems like parking aids, blind spot detection, cross traffic alert etc.

My wife had a woman back right into her without looking. Ironically it was right in front of a police officer who was there for another accident.

The woman’s excuse? She thought the car would warn her if someone was behind her……
 

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Overconfidence in “drivers assistance” features is a real problem.
This problem gets worse as ADAS gets better. That is why Google/Waymo skipped Level 3. If you only have to take over once a year, you will never be ready - that's just human nature. I can tell you from personal experience, at first you might be very vigilant, but surprisingly quickly your brain learns to disengage. I remember long ago using some early AP features, before they did any driver monitoring. At first I was very vigilant, paying extra attention. I do remember however not long after starting, a specific example which scared me: I was stuck in stop and go traffic, car did great, maybe half an hour later traffic freed up and I caught myself daydreaming while watching some boats on the horizon to my left, then a thought occurred to me "Hmm.... I'm doing 70mph, who is driving, OH SHIT! I'M SUPPOSED BE SUPERVISING IT!". I stopped using it after that. There are enough people driving today without any ADAS features while spaced out and on their phones (just stand on a side of a long, straight road during rush traffic and watch how many people veer out of their lanes). ADAS is going to make it worse, or perhaps it will reduce the low impact accidents, like stop and go rush traffic read enders, but increase the severe ones where ADAS really throws its hands up, being Level 2 it's on the driver to take over in 0.000s, or even before. "Oups! Sorry you got T-boned Mr. Customer, I missed that red light, you were supposed to take over and stop me. On a positive note, I only miss one red light a year, so my track record is near perfect."
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