Tesla S v Taycan

[Fishy]

Hi, question. After four years and 90K miles how if any did it affect your range from year one?

Thanks

Mine is a 75D all wheel drive. Full charge when brand new would get to 223 miles, after 4 1/2 years and 91000 miles now will charge to 214 miles.

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[JRNJTAYCAN]

Mine is a 75D all wheel drive. Full charge when brand new would get to 223 miles, after 4 1/2 years and 91000 miles now will charge to 214 miles.

Wow that is outstanding thanks for sharing.

 

[whitex]

This was taken by someone on a local website to show this vandalism does happen at the public charging points. Also, as the flap sticks out a LOT i can see how it can be damaged. It’s personal choice at the end of the day and aesthetics.

It looks like they broke off jus the outer part of the charge port door. If it was vandalism, someone really tried, and can do the same to a side mirror for example. However, if this was an accident, perhaps the charge port door actually took an impact of a passer by (closing on top of the plug), therefore saving the charge plug getting hit sideways and maybe saving the charge port from damage? Maybe if there was no charge port door, the charge port itself would have to be replaced instead?

 

[whitex]

Thanks. This makes it a difficult choice. I'm going full PPF but if the drag savings are minimal then stopping the dirt is desireable only to stop it looking dirty. And worse I've spec'd white

Different people estimate differently, between 1% and 5% hit (Turbo for example has 5% more advertised range than Turbo S, which has powered charge port non-optional). To me the range hit is not the primary motivator though, rather it's the fact that blocking it does disrupt the air flow from following the contours of the car to keep the air flow laminar. It would trigger the engineer in me knowing that my car is not as aerodynamic as it was originally designed to be. I buy my cars to drive, not to show, so my priority is on driving over esthetics, though as I mentioned earlier, both ports come it about even on looks for me (would prefer smaller port, but dislike the black fins).

 

[Deleted member 7514]

It looks like they broke off jus the outer part of the charge port door. If it was vandalism, someone really tried, and can do the same to a side mirror for example. However, if this was an accident, perhaps the charge port door actually took an impact of a passer by (closing on top of the plug), therefore saving the charge plug getting hit sideways and maybe saving the charge port from damage? Maybe if there was no charge port door, the charge port itself would have to be replaced instead?

It was vandalism - the back panel was also dented and was reported to the police. The car was charging on a public street charger.

No passer by can break a door and have it that far from the vehicle without intent!

 

[whitex]

No passer by can break a door and have it that far from the vehicle without intent!

What are you talking about, any hit to a charge door dislodging the outside shell could easily land that shell as shown in the picture. I guarantee you no vandal staged it there, or they probably would have thrown it like a Frisbee or taken with as a souvenir.

Not saying this wasn't vandalism by the way, only that the picture doesn't prove it. Also, if someone wants to vandalize your car, perhaps charge door is cheaper to fix than a broken side mirror, broken charge port, or even keyed paint job. See this video of what vandals tried with an EV which didn't have an easy door to break.

 

[Deleted member 7514]

What are you talking about, any hit to a charge door dislodging the outside shell could easily land that shell as shown in the picture. I guarantee you no vandal staged it there, or they probably would have thrown it like a Frisbee or taken with as a souvenir.

Not saying this wasn't vandalism by the way, only that the picture doesn't prove it. Also, if someone wants to vandalize your car, perhaps charge door is cheaper to fix than a broken side mirror, broken charge port, or even keyed paint job. See this video of what vandals tried with an EV which didn't have an easy door to break.

hey, nothing to make a big deal about.

All I’ve done is show a picture of an EV car that was vandalised and you want a discussion on how it could have been something else. I don’t need a conversation about the laws of physics or any speculation on what might have caused it.

It was vandalised end of the conversation and move on to talk about something else No need for Agro

 

[Archimedes]

Different people estimate differently, between 1% and 5% hit (Turbo for example has 5% more advertised range than Turbo S, which has powered charge port non-optional). To me the range hit is not the primary motivator though, rather it's the fact that blocking it does disrupt the air flow from following the contours of the car to keep the air flow laminar. It would trigger the engineer in me knowing that my car is not as aerodynamic as it was originally designed to be.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks...

 

[whitex]

All I’ve done is show a picture of an EV car that was vandalised and you want a discussion on how it could have been something else. I don’t need a conversation about the laws of physics or any speculation on what might have caused it.

Actually that's not all you said. You also said:

No passer by can break a door and have it that far from the vehicle without intent!

which invited the laws of physics conversation. ?‍

 

[Deleted member 7514]

Actually that's not all you said. You also said:

which invited the laws of physics conversation. ?‍

Move on and stop being so argumentative - no one cares!

 

[f1eng]

the tire kicks up rocks and grime into the vent that gets slung onto the side of the car

This is internet myth and bollocks. There is no trajectory from tyre contact to bodywork through the vent which could directly hit bodywork. None
I think it comes from somebody noticing road debris in the bottom of the port and illogically extrapolating.

 

[KoSoVaR]

Move on and stop being so argumentative - no one cares!

welcome to the interneT.

 

[Mr Bill]

1. Will i miss the Tesla SuperCharger Network, 90,000 miles in 4 years without any problems at all, has anyone else who drives reasonable distances gone from Tesla to Taycan and regretted it because of charging issues?
2. Would i need to have the 22kw on board AC charger to benefit from my 3 phase Tesla charger at home or would charging speed be quick enough without this?
3. The car i am looking at does not have the Electric charging covers fitted, is this just a gimmick or is it a great feature?

Many thanks

Welcome! I drove a S75 (RWD, facelift) for five years. I absolutely LOVED that car. I did not reorder one though after its lease expired - I gradually lost all trust because of Tesla's declining service network, their repeated broken promises, continuing quality issues/buyer complaints, etc.

Since December I've put on 13K+ miles on a Taycan RWD, and do not regret switching - love the car, and admire Porsche for getting things mostly right with their first EV. Great handling, less bulky, comparable/better range than the S75 is easily achievable. Better build quality and looks IMO too, I love the supercar like nose.

What you may miss though: The S is much more spacious, the hatch is extremely handy, standard audio is 5X better than the really deplorably bad one in the Taycan (Bose upgrade is a must!), and autosteer is much, much better and safer than Innodrive (which also ghost brakes, though not as often as my S did).

re your questions 2) and 3): don't have these. As to 1): I always used the great and reliable SC network when traveling outside the Netherlands on vacation or business trips. Ionity chargers (350Kw) are more sparse in Europe. I have good experiences with these so far, but speeds vary (make sure to enter the Ionity chargers as nav destinations on your trips - the car then preheats the battery to the ideal (higher) charging temp shortly before arrival). I experienced system errors a few times though during charging with Ionity, which would require restarting a session, sometimes repeatedly - never had that happen with a SC in five years.

There is a little more planning prior to long trips with the Taycan, but it has not really limited my choice of foreign destinations. Tuscany next summer will be another test though..

 

[Fishy]

Welcome! I drove a S75 (RWD, facelift) for five years. I absolutely LOVED that car. I did not reorder one though after its lease expired - I gradually lost all trust because of Tesla's declining service network, their repeated broken promises, continuing quality issues/buyer complaints, etc.

Since December I've put on 13K+ miles on a Taycan RWD, and do not regret switching - love the car, and admire Porsche for getting things mostly right with their first EV. Great handling, less bulky, comparable/better range than the S75 is easily achievable. Better build quality and looks IMO too, I love the supercar like nose.

What you may miss though: The S is much more spacious, the hatch is extremely handy, standard audio is 5X better than the really deplorably bad one in the Taycan (Bose upgrade is a must!), and autosteer is much, much better and safer than Innodrive (which also ghost brakes, though not as often as my S did).

re your questions 2) and 3): don't have these. As to 1): I always used the great and reliable SC network when traveling outside the Netherlands on vacation or business trips. Ionity chargers (350Kw) are more sparse in Europe. I have good experiences with these so far, but speeds vary (make sure to enter the Ionity chargers as nav destinations on your trips - the car then preheats the battery to the ideal (higher) charging temp shortly before arrival). I experienced system errors a few times though during charging with Ionity, which would require restarting a session, sometimes repeatedly - never had that happen with a SC in five years.

There is a little more planning prior to long trips with the Taycan, but it has not really limited my choice of foreign destinations.

Hi,
thanks, yes i know exactly what you mean, i also love my S, and from having a grand unveiling in showroom in March 2018 service levels have massively declined. To be fair the staff at Dartford in UK are great , but there are just too many cars for them to cope with today. I too have become disillusioned so have decided now to move on to Taycan. It has been very interesting to see all the different comments from owners. You are right about what i will miss as those were the exact slight concerns that i have had. But weighing up all the positives and a few negatives then Taycan it is.

 

[grahamsimmonds]

I went from a Tesla Model S performance to a Taycan Turbo S. The differences: -

1. The Taycan is much faster, particularly in the midrange.
2. The Taycan has a better ride.
3. The Taycan is quieter at motorway speeds.
4. The Taycan charges faster.
5. The Taycan performs really well on a track. It corners well and I can achieve very reasonable lap times. You could not take a Model S on a track. It would be dangerous.
6. It goes without saying that build quality, customer service, and reliability are far better.

Charging In the UK, most major routes now have multiple hubs so this perceived advantage that Tesla is purported to have is no longer true. Ionity is now plug and charge, so the experience is no difference. The biggest single advantage is that Ionity is now 30p per kWh, half of the price of Tesla network.

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