using tesla supercharging stations

[ben1]

• Be aware that for a Taycan to charge at a Tesla super charger - you will take up x2 Tesla charge spots due to diff between charge port locations on the Taycan to Tesla

I don't think that is correct.
A Tesla has the charging port at the left rear corner. The Taycan at the right front corner.
So if you park 'front first' with the Taycan, the charging port is at the same location. So you do not take two parking spots.

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[ben1]

Is there a map of the open superchargers?

The Tesla app.

 

[Hanny]

Is there a map of the open superchargers?

not sure if its up to date but my google search:

Tesla open chargers

The sites participating in the pilot are:

SE England
Folkestone Eurotunnel
Wokingham
Uxbridge
Thurrock

Cambridgeshire/Oxfordshire
Thetford
Trumpington
Wyboston
Banbury

Wales
Aberystwyth
Flint Mountain

The North
Manchester Trafford
Belford

Scotland
Dundee
Aviemore

 

[daveo4EV]

we are lucky in UK - no need for adaptor on the limited Tesla sites that a Taycan can charge

I honestly see it as no different - the main 'control' aspect is still enabling charger-stall start/stop control in the Tesla supercharger control infrastructure - euro superchargers have no physical limitation (like an adapter required) but universal access is still lacking due to activation controls...

Tesla as a business is still not pursing 100% access with or without a physical adapter.

this is not a matter of the requirement of a physical adatper, this is a matter of Tesla choosing not to allow their network to be universally access by other vehicle brands…

the physical adapter is not what is blocking this roll out - Tesla's business decisions are blocking any roll out - world wide.

 

[daveo4EV]

I don't think that is correct.
A Tesla has the charging port at the left rear corner. The Taycan at the right front corner.
So if you park 'front first' with the Taycan, the charging port is at the same location. So you do not take two parking spots.

due to cord length parking front first requires you to "offset" the Taycan to one side thereby blocking access in an adjacent charging stall - with out "side access" Tesla stalls it's very very difficult for _ANY_ non-Tesla to avoid blocking another stall while charging…

Tesla V4 Supercharger designs (already deployed in a few locations) have longer cords - ultimately this is the correct solution.

but for now it's nearly impossible to position Taycan for a supercharger cord to "reach" without some encroachment on an adjacent space…this will get fixed over time and may be a consideration that is keeping Tesla from rolling out more access due to the need to retrofit existing sties with longer cords…

as with all things time will tell.

 

[Hanny]

I honestly see it as no different - the main 'control' aspect is still enabling charger-stall start/stop control in the Tesla supercharger control infrastructure - euro superchargers have no physical limitation (like an adapter required) but universal access is still lacking due to activation controls...

Tesla as a business is still not pursing 100% access with or without a physical adapter.

this is not a matter of the requirement of a physical adatper, this is a matter of Tesla choosing not to allow their network to be universally access by other vehicle brands…

the physical adapter is not what is blocking this roll out - Tesla's business decisions are blocking any roll out - world wide.

agree with what you have written, see my posts earlier in this thread as it’s only a limited amount of Tesla superchargers that will allow non Tesla charging

 

[ben1]

we are lucky in UK - no need for adaptor on the limited Tesla sites that a Taycan can charge

Strictly speaking it is not really luck. It was the EU that forced Tesla to comply with only selling cars with CCS2 ports.
The brexiteers did not see this benefit of the EU for the UK, ;-)

In my opinion the federal government in the US should just do the same. That is why we have governments: to set rules that have a common benefit.

 

[Scandinavian]

Be aware that for a Taycan to charge at a Tesla super charger - you will take up x2 Tesla charge spots due to diff between charge port locations on the Taycan to Tesla

That is true for UK cars with the RHD position.
For European LHD cars it works with a stretch at most V2 and V3 chargers. Side mounted will also work well.

 

[daveo4EV]

Strictly speaking it is not really luck. It was the EU that forced Tesla to comply with only selling cars with CCS2 ports.
The brexiteers did not see this benefit of the EU for the UK, ;-)

In my opinion the federal government in the US should just do the same. That is why we have governments: to set rules that have a common benefit.

I agree with this in principal - but lets observe the facts…

• EU Universal connector mandate - no physical limitation - great one less hurdle
• still no universal access as Tesla still controls which sites "allow/authorize" non-Tesla's

the physical plug differences is NOT the issue and only a minor issue in the grand scheme of things…

what is required is universal "access" - if that was required - all Tesla sites would allow all vehicle brands - this so far is not the case.

so let's not pretend the EU mandate of a same plug has actually made a difference here.

Tesla is still resisting full access in the EU and North America - the requirement or non-requirement of a physical plug adapter is temporary retrofit BS at a most - and easily addressed if you can address the actual underlying requirement for access to all sites.

 

[Scandinavian]

due to cord length parking front first requires you to "offset" the Taycan to one side thereby blocking access in an adjacent charging stall - with out "side access" Tesla stalls it's very very difficult for _ANY_ non-Tesla to avoid blocking another stall while charging…

Not correct in Europe, if you look at the photo I included. Yes Tesla at the left rear and Taycan on right side mid way. You can drive in but the cables are very short so it requires a bit of luck. The new built chargers are now on the side where you easily can plug in plus a longer cable in Europe.

 

[daveo4EV]

my suggestion is that govt's should word it as follows:

"if you're connected to and using the public electrical grid - the you must provide equal access to all road certified EV's for charging with out restrictions - if you're providing your own "closed" network for power and not connected to public infrastructure then you do not have to provide universal access and it can be left to business policy."

basically if you want to use electricity from "the grid" - then you must provide equal and unrestricted access

if you are installing your "own chargers" and powering them with your "own power supply" you can do what you want.

but I'm not a policy wonk - I'm an engineer.

 

[daveo4EV]

Not correct in Europe, if you look at the photo I included. Yes Tesla at the left rear and Taycan on right side mid way. You can drive in but the cables are very short so it requires a bit of luck. The new built chargers are now on the side where you easily can plug in plus a longer cable in Europe.

my apologies - my comments are directed entirely based on my personal experience with the Scott's valley supercharger in California/North America - I have zero insight into the situation in Europe or any particular Tesla site.

 

[ben1]

Not correct in Europe, if you look at the photo I included. Yes Tesla at the left rear and Taycan on right side mid way. You can drive in but the cables are very short so it requires a bit of luck. The new built chargers are now on the side where you easily can plug in plus a longer cable in Europe.

Indeed. With the new V3 chargers where the charger is between the parking spot, it works quite well.
I see that many V2 charging sites are being extended with new V3 chargers. So more and more Tesla charging locations allow easy charging for Taycans.
At least in continental Europe.

Still a pity that the V3 chargers are 400V.
That will be solved with the V4 superchargers.

 

[dave200]

Hi, Ive yet to use the Tesla chargers but I do have the app, registered and loaded a credit card. Once in, you can get a map view to show the 'open chargers'.

 

[Scandinavian]

I agree with this in principal - but lets observe the facts…

• EU Universal connector mandate - no physical limitation - great one less hurdle
• still no universal access as Tesla still controls which sites "allow/authorize" non-Tesla's

the physical plug differences is NOT the issue and only a minor issue in the grand scheme of things…

what is required is universal "access" - if that was required - all Tesla sites would allow all vehicle brands - this so far is not the case.

so let's not pretend the EU mandate of a same plug has actually made a difference here.

Tesla is still resisting full access in the EU and North America - the requirement or non-requirement of a physical plug adapter is temporary retrofit BS at a most - and easily addressed if you can address the actual underlying requirement for access to all sites.

I think Tesla do a great job here in Europe. The following is a map showing the SuC that are open for all. There are of course some that still not have been opened to all. So you can compare that picture with the lousy Ionity roll out that is owned by several EV manufacturers!

Plus Ionity have something like 4 to 8 chargers per station , while Tesla show up with 16 to 40!! I can drive from the Spanish French border up to Nordkap on only Tesla open for all chargers. NO WAY with Ionity is that possible.

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