What are your top 3 Taycan 4S performance options in order and why?

[gnop1950]

The point was that if you get your money back for an option when you sell or trade in your car, that option is effectively a break-even proposition. In one of the other threads, they were saying that a lease for a car with the PB+ was actually less expensive than one for a car with just the PB. If that is true it is a pretty good indication of what the lease companies feel the residual value will be.

Interestingly, browsing the NA configurator it looks like the PB+ is standard on all models except the Taycan sedan base model and the sedan 4S. Even the base CT showed the PB+ as standard on the NA configurator.


$5,780 (NA configurator) is a good bit of money and I can understand that if someone is on a tight budget they may want to skip it. It wouldn't surprise me if Porsche simply made the PB+ standard on the last two models where it isn't and bumped the price up a bit in the future.

P.S. It goes without saying that everyone should buy the car they want if they can afford it, or the car they need if it is simply for transportation, and of course, there are all sorts of "in-between" options as well.

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[RGBArgee]

Re my post above… I have ordered 21in CT wheels which should speed up corners… Also Bose, to play Bat out of hell.. Pan Roof to gaze at the stars and Jet Black metallic as I already have a paint stick for my 992 Targa 4S. ?

 

[SeattleYates]

Hi Everyone.
I'm meticulously configuring my 4S (May production - UGH!) and want to get your opinion on what performance options matter most to you and WHY...
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If it isn't locked yet, the performance choice I'd make is to order a GTS instead of 4S. For the difference in base price, some of which is offset by standard options on the GTS, I think that's the biggest bang-for-buck thing you could do...at least IMO (my 4S will be here in a week or so, and I"m excited...but bummed that the GTS wasn't announced until after I locked my order). ?

 

[JohnS]

Hi Everyone.
I'm meticulously configuring my 4S (May production - UGH!) and want to get your opinion on what performance options matter most to you and WHY.

Question:
If you had to rank order the following 4S performance options, what order would you rank them in and WHY would your rank them that way?

1. Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV+)
2. Porsche Dynamic Chasis Control Sport (PDCC Sport)
3. Rear Axel Steering

...remember, the WHY is important

Thanks in advance !
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I have had my 4S for about 6 weeks and only have the RAS but highly recommend it. The effect on apparent shortening of wheelbase and turning circle is a revelation making it very manoeuvrable at low speeds. Feels really agile and nimble. I’m glad that I have it.

 

[obxckw]

If it isn't locked yet, the performance choice I'd make is to order a GTS instead of 4S. For the difference in base price, some of which is offset by standard options on the GTS, I think that's the biggest bang-for-buck thing you could do...at least IMO (my 4S will be here in a week or so, and I"m excited...but bummed that the GTS wasn't announced until after I locked my order). ?

 

[SergeyIndy]

PB+ has benefit of incremental range/power as discussed but the other consideration is that if you plan to keep the car long term the battery will degrade resulting in smaller battery over time. I did not want to add it for range/power for the cost but as soon as I learned what seems obvious, it changed my decision from on the fence to must have.

SC has the benefit of convenience to dial modes from the wheel plus Sports+ mode that in theory maxes out car performance and a great value to the price. Then it comes with a dash clock that is typically standard on other models in the US but not on the Taycan. Having test driven 2 without the clock, it felt missing, after having it in our Macan/Cayenne.

RAS has benefit of parking convenience and then highway speed lane change smoothness. This is a must have for me to get it in and out of the garage especially it is wider than a usual car. I had a hard time parking into a 2 car garage with Macan on one side without RAS on the tester.

PTV+ is a must for where I live since we are the world capital of round abouts with 140+ and more in the works so I am slinging around them with PTV+ working all the time (Macan/Cayenne). Also, contrary to common belief that PTV+ wears out rear brakes sooner, it actually saves all the brakes since on turns at right speed it strategically applies brakes at light force saving pressing on all the brakes to slow down in a turn.

PDCC is totally new to me since there are no cars to try it on. However, since it is part of the package with all other options then I will have it. I do wonder if it can be turned off for more natural turning so the car actually laterally tilts in turns but I do not think it can be turned off. The only benefit I see is for uneven ground as it attempts to glue the wheels to uneven surfaces.

Sport Sound is something also in a package and can be easily turned off so not a big deal to have.

PSCB brakes I would consider performance since they are larger and they produce no dust in addition to cosmetic look of mirror like rotors. The problem with them is squealing which is a known issue with TSB out at least for the Cayenne models. However, Taycan is not using much of braking if anything and if they fix the issue, anyone with these brakes will get new ones (per my dealer optimism).

 

[obxckw]

I ordered a 4S...well, I put money down on it at least and am told that the production date isn't until May which means, if I'm lucky, I'll get in in July I think. From what I understand, I can't change my mind on a car at this point- I can only change configurations on the car until I'm locked for production, but can't just pick the GTS at this point. If anyone has done that with success, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

 

[SergeyIndy]

I ordered a 4S...well, I put money down on it at least and am told that the production date isn't until May which means, if I'm lucky, I'll get in in July I think. From what I understand, I can't change my mind on a car at this point- I can only change configurations on the car until I'm locked for production, but can't just pick the GTS at this point. If anyone has done that with success, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

This depends on dealer slots. My dealer has a 4S slot for me with March build date and late April delivery.

 

[obxckw]

This depends on dealer slots. My dealer has a 4S slot for me with March build date and late April delivery.

The folks at Porsche are smart - they know that guys like me are suckers for the upgrades. I spend way too much time looking at options and asking questions. Oh- for only 2K more I can get THIS? Oh- for just 1.5K more I can get THAT? I love this Taycan forum but am quickly realizing we're all OCD at some level...maybe this is therapeutic ?

 

[SergeyIndy]

The folks at Porsche are smart - they know that guys like me are suckers for the upgrades. I spend way too much time looking at options and asking questions. Oh- for only 2K more I can get THIS? Oh- for just 1.5K more I can get THAT? I love this Taycan forum but am quickly realizing we're all OCD at some level...maybe this is therapeutic ?

Building is part of the experience so going over the build many times is part of the fun. The worst you can do is regret the options you wasted and the ones you did not add. What is your build code by the way? There are some options that are totally useless.

 

[obxckw]

Building is part of the experience so going over the build many times is part of the fun. The worst you can do is regret the options you wasted and the ones you did not add. What is your build code by the way? There are some options that are totally useless.

Agreed- having fun and learning a ton here!
For me, it'll be my first EV, and first Porsche. It'll serve as my primary car- may take it on the track but not often, if I do at all.

Keys for me:
Comfort, performance and look. I've been thinking of limiting the performance options bc I won't track it much/at all but am thinking of keeping the PB+, RAS, Sound (bc i dig it) and perhaps PTV+...when you add those in, you might as well go all in, hence my current config.

Also, key for me is to figure out the wheel options. I'm a fan of the 21" Exclusive Design colored in black gloss but know I'd sacrifice some comfort and maybe some range as well. What I have on this right now are the 20" Turbo Aero wheels. If I get them, I might just have them powder coated black but not sure or do something like what PITTSBURGHTAYCAN did on his Green Mamba: https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...els-for-25-what-do-you-think.1532/post-116134

So- here's what I have thus far. Would love opinions/perspectives. Thanks in advance!

http://www.porsche-code.com/PNJNZRJ3

 

[SergeyIndy]

Agreed- having fun and learning a ton here!
For me, it'll be my first EV, and first Porsche. It'll serve as my primary car- may take it on the track but not often, if I do at all.

Keys for me:
Comfort, performance and look. I've been thinking of limiting the performance options bc I won't track it much/at all but am thinking of keeping the PB+, RAS, Sound (bc i dig it) and perhaps PTV+...when you add those in, you might as well go all in, hence my current config.

Also, key for me is to figure out the wheel options. I'm a fan of the 21" Exclusive Design colored in black gloss but know I'd sacrifice some comfort and maybe some range as well. What I have on this right now are the 20" Turbo Aero wheels. If I get them, I might just have them powder coated black but not sure or do something like what PITTSBURGHTAYCAN did on his Green Mamba: https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...els-for-25-what-do-you-think.1532/post-116134

So- here's what I have thus far. Would love opinions/perspectives. Thanks in advance!

http://www.porsche-code.com/PNJNZRJ3

Your build is almost exactly as mine: PNI5S6C6

The only advice I can give you is to skip LED Matrix lights. The intended function is not enabled in the US due to outdated regs then they look very busy with no benefit to the standard LED PDLS+ lights that look better in my opinion. Then the reason a lot of recent 4S builds bombed is because of these Matrix lights as they are subject to supply chain and chip delays that would add 2+ months to your delivery. Then you are saving almost $2K in the process and applying this to more performance options.

 

[obxckw]

Your build is almost exactly as mine: PNI5S6C6

The only advice I can give you is to skip LED Matrix lights. The intended function is not enabled in the US due to outdated regs then they look very busy with no benefit to the standard LED PDLS+ lights that look better in my opinion. Then the reason a lot of recent 4S builds bombed is because of these Matrix lights as they are subject to supply chain and chip delays that would add 2+ months to your delivery. Then you are saving almost $2K in the process and applying this to more performance options.

Nice build! I've had that config on my short list several times and keep working around it trying to figure it out. I'm still thinking of the black/chalk interior, too. Looks slick and I like the contrast. Couple of questions for you--

-Why choose the night vision? I've gone back/forth.
-For the headlights, what would I get if I uncheck the lights and get whatever is standard? Not sure what they don't do that the Matrix lights would.
-What made you choose the 21" vs 20" wheels? Spyder wheels look slick.
-Why would you not also get the 19.2 kW On-Board Charger or the On-Board 150 kW/400V DC Charger options?

 

[SergeyIndy]

Nice build! I've had that config on my short list several times and keep working around it trying to figure it out. I'm still thinking of the black/chalk interior, too. Looks slick and I like the contrast. Couple of questions for you--

All great questions so here I go after countless hours of considering each very carefully.
For context, this would be our 4th Porsche but first EV so much more learning went into the EV part as the dealer will never take the time and they are just happy for customers to tick as many boxes possible at least around here.

-Why choose the Night Vision? I've gone back/forth.
Night Vision is a must where I live since we have animals crossing the road all the time and people walking at night. I cannot tell you how many times this system caught a herd of deer before you can even see it when we travel on the Cayenne with that option. Then one time a deer stopped in the middle of the road when we happen to drive in the dark in the forest going to Destin FL and the car saw it beyond the headlights (that's the key benefit), alerted, and then proceeded to stop on its own if you do not react. The deer did not move and we just staired at each other for some time until it decide to go on.

-For the headlights, what would I get if I uncheck the lights and get whatever is standard? Not sure what they don't do that the Matrix lights would.
You always have to check > Standard Equipment list at the bottom of the build to see what really comes standard with a given trim. 4S happens to have LED with PDLS+ as standard which give you everything to the max for US regs which is LED, PDLS (swivel), and + for High Beam assist. The Matrix lights provide no additional value in the US since they are programmed (84 individual LEDs) to emulate these standard lights. The intended use of the Matrix function is that the 84 LEDs work independently to illuminate part of the road and that is allowed in Canada for example but for US it is not allowed. Therefore, you are paying for absolutely no additional value in terms of light tech. There is a slim chance that when US regs allow Matrix then over the air they will enable full functionality but there are no guarantees Porsche would do that for older vehicles equipped with these lights. Please reference online catalog for full description for LED + PDLS, PDLS+, and Matrix with PDLS+ standard which describe what I just stated.

-What made you choose the 21" vs 20" wheels? Spyder wheels look slick.
I wish there was a 20" wheel that I liked, but I do not. The only wheel that I liked going monochrome theme with Ice exterior is the RS Spyder with contrasting B/W elements with Summer Tires with a plan going Michelin All-Season when those wear out.

-Why would you not also get the 19.2 kW On-Board Charger or the On-Board 150 kW/400V DC Charger options?
These were the biggest learnings of them all and I am so happy to bank the savings as for someone knowing nothing about EVs these look like a must as they APPEAR to speed up the charging 2x on the first and 3x on the second. I have learned that both are absolutely useless in North America and here is why.

19kW AC requires a 100AMP dedicated circuit to be useful. This much power is typically reserved for the entire house. Therefore, if you are absolutely sure you can get a 100AMP line at home AND buy a charger that can deliver 19kW from 100AMP AND you need 5 hours of charging instead of 10 hours while you are sleeping then this option is useful. That is a big NO for me as I am happy with a 50AMP circuit, do not mind 10 hours overnight, and prefer to get the home Electrify America station with 9.6kw so I use only one App to charge on the road and at home.

150 kW/400 DC while not expensive is the absolute waste since the whole idea of the Taycan is 800V architecture and 270 kW max charging is standard allowing for 20 min charge at EA stations on 350kW marked up chargers. I have learned that there are absolutely no charging stations in North America that are DC and 400V to be useful to charge Taycan with because the DC standard is 800V. That is why I skipped it as several posted that this became a boat anchor for them after purchase since 400V DC charging is nowhere to be found.

 

[gnop1950]

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19kW AC requires a 100AMP dedicated circuit to be useful. This much power is typically reserved for the entire house. Therefore, if you are absolutely sure you can get a 100AMP line at home AND buy a charger that can deliver 19kW from 100AMP AND you need 5 hours of charging instead of 10 hours while you are sleeping then this option is useful. That is a big NO for me as I am happy with a 50AMP circuit, do not mind 10 hours overnight, and prefer to get the home Electrify America station with 9.6kw so I use only one App to charge on the road and at home.

150 kW/400 DC while not expensive is the absolute waste since the whole idea of the Taycan is 800V architecture and 270 kW max charging is standard allowing for 20 min charge at EA stations on 350kW marked up chargers. I have learned that there are absolutely no charging stations in North America that are DC and 400V to be useful to charge Taycan with because the DC standard is 800V. That is why I skipped it as several posted that this became a boat anchor for them after purchase since 400V DC charging is nowhere to be found.

The 19KW AC does require a 100AMP circuit, but I beg to differ that it is usually reserved for the entire house. Every house in my area, not a super expensive area by any means, can support an extra 100AMP breaker. It isn't really necessary unless you want to have the fastest home charging, but most modern homes could probably support the extra 100AMP breaker. But you are right, if the faster charging isn't a high priority then this is a rather expensive option. The total cost for my Porsche Wall Charger Connect and the electrical work for the 100AMP circuit was over 5k.

The idea behind getting the 150 Kw/400DC option is to future proof the car to permit fast charging on the Tesla network should they open that to other vehicles (which it looks like they well may in the next couple of years.) There is a thread on this topic. For the cost, $460, it is a very cheap option that may pay big dividends in the future.

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