What is your Taycan Range after X miles, Let's get some data

[tchavei]

Ah - so implying that if RTH's prior charging by almost entirely DC vs the other 2 cars entirely by AC that this might explain the chatter in his snapshot of the current SoC?

Definitely yes. Now I wouldn't dare to extrapolate to his SoH because I don't know how that is measured (cell imbalance? charge provided vs kwh stored? No idea) but I can tell you that lithium batteries will increasingly go out of balance the faster they're charged and the faster they're discharged unless there's a mechanism that keeps them in check.

imagine a simple 2s pack (4.2V each, 8.4V nominal voltage). In an extreme case, you can have one cell at 4.0V while the other is at 4.4V... the total pack voltage would still be 8.4V but one cell would be at 70% of capacity while the other was over thermal runaway.

I already said this before, under 1C charging rate should be "ok" for battery life while over 1C is high speed charging and will naturally degrade the battery more but all that is assuming that the cells are all perfectly balanced among each other. Now how the balancing mechanism works in a Taycan and what behaviour we should adopt to have the cells balanced as much as possible... now that is an interesting question isn't it?

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[Hirschaj]

Least efficient spec driven in the least efficient manner.

This is the way.

 

[tchavei]

This is the way.

It's funny but it's true... I don't notice any of those breaking things people mention on the forum when I drive it like if I were running from the police. I hit the breaks and it breaks. When I start treating it like walking on eggs then I start imagining variable pedal pressures, not so absolutely perfect transitions and god knows what else.

solution: drive it like a Porsche.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

@ciaranob @tchavei the fact that all other measurements were taken with the same tool did not escape me; i'm not contesting that the measurement as displayed in the tool is incorrect, I am trying to say we don't know what that value represents. And yes, I have seen the thread from one of the Andys here, who stated that Porsche measures with PIWIS exactly the same value as the OBD tool. Still, the point remains that it's an instantaneous measurement based on ..? - and, most importantly, not clear at all that this is how P would measure it in the context of a warranty claim.

Regarding rebalancing - I recall some really informative, older threads on this; indeed, just as with braking, the Taycan seems to "fix" itself when charging slowly from a low SoC.

And just so I'm improving my "contribution" to this thread: '23 4CT on 20", ~9k miles in <6 months, just a bit over 250 mi of range at 100%. Mostly charging at home on L2, from ~25% SoC to 85.

 

[Archimedes]

This is the way.

Agreed. Would love to get 280 miles a charge but not if I have to spec it like a Volvo and drive it like a Prius.

 

[Englishtony2002]

Thats a new one! Seems to imply you are still in Drive or perhaps charging at the time but I'd assume not, correct? Have you tried powering off and connecting and then powering back on etc. - sorry, again, first I've seen this error so no handy solution off the bat!

Have not tried that sequence, will do

 

[RTH]

I have scheduled an appointment with the dealer to get an official scan for the SoH next week. Let's see if theirs is the same as what I got and what their recommendation is.

 

[Kingske]

Just charged my 2020 4S with Plus battery to its usual max SoC of 80%. Guess-o-meter now projects 256 miles of range (i.e. 320 miles when extrapolated to 100% SoC). Normal mode. A/C in Eco setting. The car has about 14,000 miles on the clock and - probably important - has 19” wheels. Manual charge covers (uninterrupted side curtain flow). Relatively warm early summer day in New Jersey.

 

[RTH]

Just charged my 2020 4S with Plus battery to its usual max SoC of 80%. Guess-o-meter now projects 256 miles of range (i.e. 320 miles when extrapolated to 100% SoC). Normal mode. A/C in Eco setting. The car has about 14,000 miles on the clock and - probably important - has 19” wheels. Manual charge covers (uninterrupted side curtain flow). Relatively warm early summer day in New Jersey.

This is incredible!

 

[Archimedes]

Just charged my 2020 4S with Plus battery to its usual max SoC of 80%. Guess-o-meter now projects 256 miles of range (i.e. 320 miles when extrapolated to 100% SoC). Normal mode. A/C in Eco setting. The car has about 14,000 miles on the clock and - probably important - has 19” wheels. Manual charge covers (uninterrupted side curtain flow). Relatively warm early summer day in New Jersey.

What is your average speed since purchase in your MyPorsche app? I’m gonna guess around 23-25mph.

 

[Kingske]

What is your average speed since purchase in your MyPorsche app? I’m gonna guess around 23-25mph.

Indeed. I use the car mainly for errands around town. 4.0 mi/kWh average consumption over its lifetime so far.

 

[RTH]

Indeed. I use the car mainly for errands around town. 4.0 mi/kWh average consumption over its lifetime so far.

Perhaps I should do that from now on with the degradation rate I have. Using it as an errand car in town is good. Driving slow will give more time for peoples on the street to salivate over my car. ?

 

[Archimedes]

Indeed. I use the car mainly for errands around town. 4.0 mi/kWh average consumption over its lifetime so far.

Which is why threads like this contain useless range data unless it’s coupled with spec and usage/driving style. If there is one thing that is linearly related to range (inversely), it’s average speed over the long term.

 

[Kingske]

Which is why threads like this contain useless range data unless it’s coupled with spec and usage/driving style. If there is one thing that is linearly related to range (inversely), it’s average speed over the long term.

Fair point.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Which is why threads like this contain useless range data unless it’s coupled with spec and usage/driving style. If there is one thing that is linearly related to range (inversely), it’s average speed over the long term.

True, but that also reminds me of the old joke that the average net worth of people in a bar increases dramatically upon the arrival of Bill Gates.
(You can tell how old the joke is since it uses Bill Gates instead of some more recent tech zillionaire.)

The point being that, driving, say, 80 on the Jersey Turnpike then getting stuck in traffic at the GW Bridge might result in a modest avg speed, yet is far less efficient than driving consistently at that same avg speed.

I suspect the latter is being modeled as the range-maximizing "Country Roads" here:
https://www.porsche.com/international/aboutporsche/e-performance/models/

Somewhat related, I was curious as to how the Tesla GOM works, and apparently now it just uses the EPA rating, no matter how the driver's historical mi/kWh vary from that, or no matter how the navigated route compares to the EPA conceptual route.

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