When will Porsche release a 1000HP Taycan?

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uh huh....so, great tagline:

Fastest car ever! Disclaimer: If you wanna stop that will be an additional $20K when we have that available.

Its very Elon Musk in its messaging...

Once again, carbon ceramics do not stop faster than steel brakes of the same size. They indeed do not suffer from fade and they wear less. But it's not false advertising at all, as I am sure a street driven Model S on standard brakes has no trouble stopping just like a Taycan Turbo with standard brakes.

Now if you do 10 HARD launches and panic stops in a row it may start to fade, but so will any car with steel brakes if pushed to the limit. But if you take your street super sedan to the track without any prep at all, whether it's a Taycan, Panamera, Tesla or Lucid, good luck to you.

At any rate almost nobody buys carbon brakes for the track (even the GT3 guys), unless they truly have more money than sense or are endurance racing. All you're doing is chewing through 15,000 dollar rotor sets every 5 track days instead of 2000 dollar rotor sets every 3-4 track days. Trust me, I've talked to those guys on many occasions at Laguna or Sonoma and it's either "I'm fine with the cost" (no argument there, you do you) or "I don't use carbon because they're too expensive and steel brakes don't let me down"

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[Archimedes]

Once again, carbon ceramics do not stop faster than steel brakes of the same size.

And once again there is no such thing as 'steel' brakes. The rotors are iron.

And depending upon the type of rotors and pads you have on your 'steel' braked car, you will experiene elongated stopping distances after only a couple of hard braking maneuvers. In which case, the ceramics will stop the car in a shorter distance. Even comparisons with Porsche's iron rotored cars has demostrated this. And Tesla's brakes aren't anywhere near the performance of Porsche's iron set up.

 

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And once again there is no such thing as 'steel' brakes. The rotors are iron.

And depending upon the type of rotors and pads you have on your 'steel' braked car, you will experiene elongated stopping distances after only a couple of hard braking maneuvers. In which case, the ceramics will stop the car in a shorter distance. Even comparisons with Porsche's iron rotored cars has demostrated this. And Tesla's brakes aren't anywhere near the performance of Porsche's iron set up.

Ugh, good lord, this is what I get for not drinking my afternoon coffee. Yes, the rotors are iron, thank you for the correction, steel being an inaccurate colloquialism - I promise I'm not actually a moron

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at with part of my post, if you're just doing normal driving or even a single maximum effort ABS panic stop the fade effect isn't going to really come into play. But when we discuss the braking distances, on a canyon road or when the car is moving even when driving spiritedly, you're not going to run into a fade condition. If you're doing panic stop after panic stop, of course the carbon will do quite a bit better. But that's a corner test, not something that plays bearing on the day to day need for the ceramics - like I said.

I've done long, very spirted drives on the mountain roads as we all have I'm sure (Skyline Blvd if you know it, being from the area) here on a hot day even, and my rotor temps barely touched 500F while leaning on the brakes quite well, whereas at Laguna, they pushed almost 1000F and I did experience real brake fade. But that's more due to the S4's calipers not being well ventilated and retaining heat like a black stone in the Sahara...but I digress.

for the record I'm not trying to get into an argument with you here - just clarifying what I meant.

 

[Jhenson29]

Am I the only one confused about all the talk of “normal driving” in the context of a 1khp car? What ever it is someone wants to do with their 1khp car that they can’t with the Turbo S, it isn’t “normal street driving”. At least not how I know it.

 

[whitex]

Am I the only one confused about all the talk of “normal driving” in the context of a 1khp car? What ever it is someone wants to do with their 1khp car that they can’t with the Turbo S, it isn’t “normal street driving”. At least not how I know it.

You could make the same argument comparing driving a Taycan 4 CT and a Turbo S CT. Is anyone buying any Taycan other CT than the 4 wasting their money unless they plan to track the car?

 

[Jhenson29]

You could make the same argument comparing driving a Taycan 4 CT and a Turbo S CT. Is anyone buying any Taycan other CT than the 4 wasting their money unless they plan to track the car?

It’s more confusion than argument really, but it’s more related to the disconnect between the use of 1khp on a car and the discussion of normal driving. Like, “oh you don’t really need ceramics if you drive normally”…but then what are you doing with the car in the first place?

 

[whitex]

It’s more confusion than argument really, but it’s more related to the disconnect between the use of 1khp on a car and the discussion of normal driving. Like, “oh you don’t really need ceramics if you drive normally”…but then what are you doing with the car in the first place?

For my "normal" driving, I could probably utilize 1kph on occasion, but have no need for ceramic brakes. For occasional tracking I would prefer the Model S had better brakes, but even for my Taycan build I'll stick with the coated brakes. I don't want to buy and maintain 2 different cars, one for every day driving and one for track. Heck, at this point in my life I don't even keep cars like I did when I wan younger - one for every day driving (911) and one for bulky shopping, occasional hauling people around, and some hobbying activities (4Runner). At this point in my life I need a single car which I can take to the track, or to Costco, or to take the family out to a restaurant.

 

[Jhenson29]

For my "normal" driving, I could probably utilize 1kph on occasion

Lol, well, your normal driving is different than mine then I suppose. I would expect the RWD has sufficient HP for all normal driving scenarios. It should have plenty of power to get in front of someone in a timely manner if needed, unless they accelerate also just for spite….and if you’re going to try to out-accelerate them to get in front, well we probably left normal a few mph ago.

 

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"normal" = not track. that's all I meant, should have clarified. let's maybe say "street" driving instead of "normal" - I've never gotten track level brake temps on the street and let me tell you, it's not for lack of trying.

But what I mean though is that normal driving means just driving the car as a car. Sure you punch it on the on ramp, pass that semi at full throttle etc, but you don't go into a panic stop right after that and then do it again 10 times.

so when I say normal I'm not saying "my exact driving style" nor am I saying driving like a grandma on the way to synagogue, I just mean not on track where you're putting the car under maximum braking stress for 20-30 mins at a time and doing a large number of high speed pulls and then braking down to low speed for corners, in a sustained period, as you would on a road course.

 

[Jhenson29]

pass that semi at full throttle etc, but you don't go into a panic stop right after that and then do it again 10 times.

I’m pretty sure I’d just about have to panic stop my 4S flooring it to pass a semi. And…double the HP, double the panic. Or is panic by the square of HP?

Look, I don’t care if someone wants a 1khp car for whatever reason. But I’m not going to pretend to understand that use case as normal or street driving. The small percentage of cars in that range basically excludes it as being normal. But it’s not on a track. Sure. Again, I’m not trying to argue anything. Just expressing my mental disconnect with the terminology as used.

 

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I totally get it, I too was just trying to clarify not argue

 

[MissionE]

When will Porsche release a 1000HP Taycan?

I think the better question is when will they release a Coupe?
And is 750 hp not good enough for you? Honestly don’t think you’d feel the difference between 750 and 1000.

 

[Jhenson29]

I just looked up the largest electric motor and it was 49,000 HP. Cut the crap and just skip to that. It’s 75 tons though, so, probably have to increase tire pressures.

Battery should be able to run it for at least 8s, but range probably suffers.

Also cost $100M, so, might have to drop PTS to stay on budget.

 

[Archimedes]

As Daveo has accurately stated repeatedly, PCCBs are probably not of much benefit on a Taycan given regen braking. However, on an ICE car they’re of great benefit. If one’s measure of benefit is based upon the number of feet they stop the car in a panic stop, they really don’t understand the role of the brakes in a performance car. And as usual, the strongest opinions about ceramics almost always come from people who’ve never owned a car with them but, strangely, are experts about them.

 

[whitex]

Lol, well, your normal driving is different than mine then I suppose. I would expect the RWD has sufficient HP for all normal driving scenarios. It should have plenty of power to get in front of someone in a timely manner if needed, unless they accelerate also just for spite….and if you’re going to try to out-accelerate them to get in front, well we probably left normal a few mph ago.

My experience is when you try to out-accelerate people, they often speed up. I'm not even sure whether it's conscious every time, sometimes I think they just "go with traffic" so when they see a car next to them go faster, they accelerate. I see this regularly when traveling in an isolated single lane express lane behind someone who's going 10 mph under a speed limit with nobody in front of them, as soon as there is an exchange between express lanes and regular lanes, i.e. an opportunity to pass them, they speed up to 20 mph over, only to slow back down when nobody can pass them. I did find however is if you have sufficient power such that you pass them really fast, such that by the time they see your car next to them you're already doing 20+mph more than they are, they don't bother trying to catch up. Being able to go from 50mph to 70mph in second can be helpful for such quick passes.

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