Which version ? CT vs CT 4S

[MAPC]

By “safety feature,” I think you’re referring to the alert and then automatic braking that occurs if you close in too quickly on the car in front of you. That feature exists on every Taycan, I understand, whether or not it’s equipped with ACC. It’s called Warning & Brake Assist (WBA). OP: you might confirm that it’s included on any non-ACC Taycan that you’re considering.

More generally, ACC’s value is a personal thing. Some love it. I attach no worth to it. I ordered it on my Panamera three years ago and have used it a grand total of twice - once just to see how it works. Even when I do 400+ mile drives, I prefer to do the pedal work myself. So when I did the specs for my GTS build, I omitted ACC.

I get why people like the convenience of these automated technologies. But - to me - they’re the antithesis of what makes a Porsche a Porsche. We get these cars primarily because we like to drive (all respect to those, of course, who want some chill time to balance out the fun part). In any event, Porsche doesn’t even do automated driving tech particularly well. We all know which EV maker is ahead when it comes to that, and it’s not a brand renowned for its driving experience.

Not everyone agrees about ACC, of course, and that’s fine. I love that we can have these cars built exactly with what we do - and do not - want.

A last thought on the safety aspect of ACC, since the topic was raised: it seems plausible that, by inducing the driver marginally to check out during lengthy drives, ACC is more likely to lead to distraction and an accident than would the system’s absence. Obviously this concern doesn’t apply to those who use the system properly (that’s most of us, one hopes, but I’m sure not all). But any time you’re “relaxing” with the system on, are you really paying as much attention?

That isn’t what I meant by safety feature but I do understand that some like ACC and some don’t.

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[Avantgarde]

I have a CT4S and a colleague has a CT4.
I have roof rails and the electric charge ports and we have the same wheels in winter.
His range is way better than mine.
So for the next one, even if I love the 4S acceleration, I might opt for the 4 as range is more important to me as the speed of the CT4 is enough even in Germany

Wondering how much Power Charge Ports contributing to this. Some say it is a major drag difference (given the large airflow area behind wheels is completely closed if you have power ports). The 0.25 vs 0.22 official drag difference between a turbo s and turbo is entirely driven by 1- wheels and 2- standard power charge port on Turbo S. I just dont know which one is contributing how much.

 

[McgR]

By “safety feature,” I think you’re referring to the alert and then automatic braking that occurs if you close in too quickly on the car in front of you. That feature exists on every Taycan, I understand, whether or not it’s equipped with ACC. It’s called Warning & Brake Assist (WBA). OP: you might confirm that it’s included on any non-ACC Taycan that you’re considering.

More generally, ACC’s value is a personal thing. Some love it. I attach no worth to it. I ordered it on my Panamera three years ago and have used it a grand total of twice - once just to see how it works. Even when I do 400+ mile drives, I prefer to do the pedal work myself. So when I did the specs for my GTS build, I omitted ACC.

I get why people like the convenience of these automated technologies. But - to me - they’re the antithesis of what makes a Porsche a Porsche. We get these cars primarily because we like to drive (all respect to those, of course, who want some chill time to balance out the fun part). In any event, Porsche doesn’t even do automated driving tech particularly well. We all know which EV maker is ahead when it comes to that, and it’s not a brand renowned for its driving experience.

Not everyone agrees about ACC, of course, and that’s fine. I love that we can have these cars built exactly with what we do - and do not - want.

A last thought on the safety aspect of ACC, since the topic was raised: it seems plausible that, by inducing the driver marginally to check out during lengthy drives, ACC is more likely to lead to distraction and an accident than would the system’s absence. Obviously this concern doesn’t apply to those who use the system properly (that’s most of us, one hopes, but I’m sure not all). But any time you’re “relaxing” with the system on, are you really paying as much attention?

I think that the brake and warning without ACC is only at lower speeds. For high speed warning it needs the ACC radar. I almost had an accident on the highway at traffic jam at the end of a tunnel 10 years ago. And another near miss a couple of years ago. The car applied the brakes harder than I would and stopped with a couple of meters left. Since then Inwanr my cars to have this option.

 

[Lausch]

He has often more than 400km range even in winter.
I never saw that figure on my car when I drove slowly for a month in summer.

This is mine just before Xmas ski trip

And in reality I will do 260km max before having to recharge because I drive fast.
And I stop to charge when I’m less that 5%.

Thanks for the feedback.

Damn, those numbers don't look great... So I guess range or power really is a choice to make...

 

[W1NGE]

What is the IT that you say is standard? Battery? ACC? Air suspension?

Can't tell from your post

ACC is an option there other 2 are standard..

 

[W1NGE]

There isn’t a bad pick - these cars are simply wonderful to drive.

Listing pros and cons only gets you so far. As a decision point, how about this: Which one are you likely to keep longer? The defence against depreciation is long-term ownership. Drive both. But I’d err in favour of more power (the RWD offers its own, unique charms, but that’s not on your list here). Range is fine either way. If you get the 4S, it’s hard to imagine you regretting it. Every time you bury your right foot, even if only for a moment to feel the kick, you’ll congratulate yourself on a choice well made.

This is no RWD CT all variants are AWD.

Only the sedan / saloon has the entry RWD.

 

[Lausch]

By “safety feature,” I think you’re referring to the alert and then automatic braking that occurs if you close in too quickly on the car in front of you. That feature exists on every Taycan, I understand, whether or not it’s equipped with ACC. It’s called Warning & Brake Assist (WBA). OP: you might confirm that it’s included on any non-ACC Taycan that you’re considering.

More generally, ACC’s value is a personal thing. Some love it. I attach no worth to it. I ordered it on my Panamera three years ago and have used it a grand total of twice - once just to see how it works. Even when I do 400+ mile drives, I prefer to do the pedal work myself. So when I did the specs for my GTS build, I omitted ACC.

I get why people like the convenience of these automated technologies. But - to me - they’re the antithesis of what makes a Porsche a Porsche. We get these cars primarily because we like to drive (all respect to those, of course, who want some chill time to balance out the fun part). In any event, Porsche doesn’t even do automated driving tech particularly well. We all know which EV maker is ahead when it comes to that, and it’s not a brand renowned for its driving experience.

Not everyone agrees about ACC, of course, and that’s fine. I love that we can have these cars built exactly with what we do - and do not - want.

A last thought on the safety aspect of ACC, since the topic was raised: it seems plausible that, by inducing the driver marginally to check out during lengthy drives, ACC is more likely to lead to distraction and an accident than would the system’s absence. Obviously this concern doesn’t apply to those who use the system properly (that’s most of us, one hopes, but I’m sure not all). But any time you’re “relaxing” with the system on, are you really paying as much attention?

Thanks for your detailed post.

I think you have a point on the whole safety thing. Having the crutch makes me less focussed.
I do tend to relax in stop & go and fully rely on the crutch.

I checked the spec on both cars and they both have "Warn- and Brake Assist". This definitely saved my ass more than it should have...

I do not share your view on automated technologies though. I think today you can have your cake and eat it too, i.e. you can drive a Porsche like an old 911 when you feel like it and still have a great daily in shitty traffic when needed.
I love to drive and value the experience but sometimes, I'm tired and the journey's bad. In those times, I'm happy my car helps me along the way.

Ideally, I'd have a Taycan for daily use and a GT3 for when I want to enjoy the drive. I'm not there yet though But I'll work my way to get there

 

[UKPerson]

I've just bought a Taycan but not delivered yet so can't really comment on that side. I also don't claim to be a good driver so you're not going to get the racing driver's perspective here! ?

I own an MG 4 (small electric car, 7.2 ish to 60). It's really nippy in town traffic. The instant electric response means that you can confidently move into a gap in a way that I can't with my Audi A8 (6.1 seconds but often significant delay between pressing throttle and actually seeing a result!).

So my thoughts would be that the CT4 will still be really fast. Also, when I test drove a Taycan Turbo and Turbo S, you could only accelerate for a second or so from 40 and you were above legal speed. You might find the CT4 allowed you to use more of the power, more of the time, than the 4S.

Finally, I have had Adaptive Cruise on the Audi since I bought it in 2012. It is amazing. Yesterday I was on the M25 (circular motorway around London - can get crazy busy) for an hour each way. The return trip was during rush hour. I just set the ACC to 70 and the car did the rest. The only adjustments I had to make was when we hit slower speed limit sections (as my ACC doesn't recognise speed limits). I appreciate that ACC may not be synonymous with the 'spirit of driving' but hey, when you're sitting in heavy traffic (which is not uncommon!), it is so great to have the car speed up and slow down for you and take the sting out of the journey. And I do think it's much safer as well. ACC is an essential for me. My Audi, my MG and the new Taycan all have it. I would not consider a road car without it.

So I would take the CT4. The extra options will make life far more enjoyable. Its roof rails suit your requirements rather than bodging a solution. It will have better range. And I suspect you'll find it plenty fast enough and you'll be able to enjoy the car's capabilities more fully.

Good luck! ?

 

[BigBob]

Hello everybody. I'm constructing my CT and am squeezed between a 4 or a 4S. Is the ~93hp worth the extra $14K? I spec'd the 4 and 4S next to each other with similar things and the thing that matters is all ~$14K + Assessment. Simply checking the temp on what others feel on this. I right now own an '06 Cayenne Super S and feel like once in a while it's a Porsche thing wherein "I have the S model" and not "just" the trim beneath.




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Yes!

My thoughts as an expert in neither cars or computers is the advice i was always given was to go for as much memory as you in a computer to future proof it etc. I reckon it's the same with power in a car!

And yes, i would like a GTS!

 

[W1NGE]

Thanks for your detailed post.

I think you have a point on the whole safety thing. Having the crutch makes me less focussed.
I do tend to relax in stop & go and fully rely on the crutch.

I checked the spec on both cars and they both have "Warn- and Brake Assist". This definitely saved my ass more than it should have...

I do not share your view on automated technologies though. I think today you can have your cake and eat it too, i.e. you can drive a Porsche like an old 911 when you feel like it and still have a great daily in shitty traffic when needed.
I love to drive and value the experience but sometimes, I'm tired and the journey's bad. In those times, I'm happy my car helps me along the way.

Ideally, I'd have a Taycan for daily use and a GT3 for when I want to enjoy the drive. I'm not there yet though But I'll work my way to get there

Warn and Brake Assist (WBA) is a legal requirement (for some years now) and is standard. It can be configured as it can be all too eager to want to stop you when you least expect - especially on slow uphill manoeuvres.

Personally i would not rely on any of these systems - they have their place but only when the conditions are 'pristine' - perfect signage, clean sensors, good weather, perfect lane markings, accurate mapping and so on. Luckily many of the problematic features can be switched off but that then raises the question of why spend the £££s on something that is less than the sum of its parts.

 

[Lausch]

Yes!

My thoughts as an expert in neither cars or computers is the advice i was always given was to go for as much memory as you in a computer to future proof it etc. I reckon it's the same with power in a car!

And yes, i would like a GTS!

Except it seems it does not apply as easily to the Taycan. Range seems to become an issue when power increases. Even though Porsche advertises a similar range fort the CT and the CT 4S, it seems it's not the case in real life....

 

[BigBob]

Except it seems it does not apply as easily to the Taycan. Range seems to become an issue when power increases. Even though Porsche advertises a similar range fort the CT and the CT 4S, it seems it's not the case in real life....

Get a towable diesel generator to combat the range anxiety?

But i'm sure you're right. too many variables and no right answer. So best solution is to get the faster one!

 

[W1NGE]

Except it seems it does not apply as easily to the Taycan. Range seems to become an issue when power increases. Even though Porsche advertises a similar range fort the CT and the CT 4S, it seems it's not the case in real life....

You can't make that direct analogy as there are many variables at play which will impact your range. Use of AC (high battery drain), wheel rim size (high battery drain), short journey's (high drain), more powerful motors (moderate impact), ambient temperature and so on.

Suggest playing around with the range calculator on the Porsche Taycan site for each model of interest and fiddle with the type of driving, AC, ambient a choice of wheels. This will give you a fairly real world estimate of what to expect (in Normal Drive mode).

 

[f1eng]

He has often more than 400km range even in winter.
I never saw that figure on my car when I drove slowly for a month in summer.

This is mine just before Xmas ski trip

And in reality I will do 260km max before having to recharge because I drive fast.
And I stop to charge when I’m less that 5%.

Driving fast will have a bigger influence on range than CT4 v CT4S.

OTOH roof rails worsen the drag coefficient and the elec tric charge port blocks the air curtain. I don’t know by how much but both will be worse for efficiency.

 

[f1eng]

Except it seems it does not apply as easily to the Taycan. Range seems to become an issue when power increases. Even though Porsche advertises a similar range fort the CT and the CT 4S, it seems it's not the case in real life....

There is no logical reason why a 4S would have less range than a 4 driven the same way. If the extra power is used a lot by a heavy footed driver, maybe, but driven the same absolutely no reason to doubt Porsche’s data.

OTOH as I wrote earlier both the roof rails and electric charge port will definitely hurt range, I just don’t know by how much.

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