Sources: "Porsche recalls nearly 12,000 Taycan in the USA"

[AMERCY]

Porsche ruft fast 12.000 Taycan in den USA zurück - electrive.net
Citing (translation thru deepl.com)
"Porsche is recalling 11,827 units of its Taycan electric model in the USA. The reason is a problem with the emergency braking software, which could lead to the automatic hazard warning lights being activated even in non-emergency situations. This could confuse other road users and increase the risk of accidents.


This is not the first recall for the Porsche Taycan: A few months ago, there was already a global recall for the Stromer, as reported, due to a possible software-related shutdown of the drive while driving.
autoblog.com, insideevs.com, nhtsa.gov"

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[TontoTaycan]

Not a single hit of this problem when I search the forums here. Where's this coming from?

 

[riburn3]

Not a single hit of this problem when I search the forums here. Where's this coming from?

Huh? It's been all over the place recently here. We actually have been discussing it since before there recall announcement. Just about every new car arriving at dealerships in the US needs a software update for the recall.

Edit: as to the actual problem, don't think it really is one. Cars ship with the software to other markets as it is in compliance with their regulations. For some reason it isn't in the US.

"Taycan Stop Sale" is the most prominent thread discussing the issue:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/taycan-stop-sale.7006/

 

[tigerbalm]

As it would be difficult for a driver to tell if its occurring behind them – it might explain why there hasn't been any real-world reports on the forum.

 

[f10tt]

Huh? It's been all over the place recently here. We actually have been discussing it since before there recall announcement. Just about every new car arriving at dealerships in the US needs a software update for the recall.

"Taycan Stop Sale" is the most prominent thread discussing the issue:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/taycan-stop-sale.7006/

Twiddling my thumbs waiting for my car while there's threads on this on Rennlist, [Banned Site] and here.

 

[ampitup]

Just checked my vin number and am not part of any recall.

 

[fullmetalbaal]

Huh? It's been all over the place recently here. We actually have been discussing it since before there recall announcement. Just about every new car arriving at dealerships in the US needs a software update for the recall.

Edit: as to the actual problem, don't think it really is one. Cars ship with the software to other markets as it is in compliance with their regulations. For some reason it isn't in the US.

"Taycan Stop Sale" is the most prominent thread discussing the issue:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/taycan-stop-sale.7006/

The problem I see is a different one: because they still don't have actual OTA software updates, I now need to take my car to a dealership and deal with that whole hassle.

 

[STLLTH]

My CT4 recently arrived in Hawaii and I couldn't take delivery until they updated the software. I even got something from CarFax saying there is a recall for the hazard lamp for my vehicle. The whole process took about an hour to have done then I was able to take delivery.

 

[riburn3]

The problem I see is a different one: because they still don't have actual OTA software updates, I now need to take my car to a dealership and deal with that whole hassle.

Preach.

My guess is this is an update they could easily do but the dealers still prefer to have it done in house as a means of getting customers through the door. How many stories have we heard even on this forum of someone taking their 911 or Cayenne for an update, they saw the Taycan on the show room floor, and pulled the trigger?

Plus, I would imagine the dealers get to charge the labor to Porsche for the time spent getting it all sorted out in house.

Overall it highlights the issue with legacy makers going electric. Tesla does such a wonderful job with OTA and have for nearly a decade now. It's sad something like this can't be handled remotely.

 

[iamfrozt]

This is old news. We've talked about it in the stop sale, as well as a handful of other threads. Also, this is at the behest of the NHTSA for a feature that's permitted outside of the US, so it's not as alarmist as it sounds.

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Campaign number AMC1

Summary
The subject vehicles are programmed with pre-collision automatic hazard warning lamp activation logic that exceeds the automatic activation functionality permitted by S4 of FMVSS No. 108.

Effects
The subject vehicles are programmed with pre-collision automatic hazard warning lamp activation logic

Corrective measures
To remedy this incompatibility with the applicable regulation, the subject vehicles will be reprogrammed to remove the function. .

 

[iamfrozt]

Preach.

My guess is this is an update they could easily do but the dealers still prefer to have it done in house as a means of getting customers through the door. How many stories have we heard even on this forum of someone taking their 911 or Cayenne for an update, they saw the Taycan on the show room floor, and pulled the trigger?

Plus, I would imagine the dealers get to charge the labor to Porsche for the time spent getting it all sorted out in house.

Overall it highlights the issue with legacy makers going electric. Tesla does such a wonderful job with OTA and have for nearly a decade now. It's sad something like this can't be handled remotely.

This is a bit more conspiracy than I think the reality warrants, to be fair.

Tesla is in hot water for OTA significant recalls mandated by the NHTSA. They had lawsuits in 2020, and again as recent as this month from the NHTSA.

This is likely Porsche following the NHTSA guidelines and regulations to the letter, rather than skirting or avoiding the regulations all together like Tesla, preventing themselves from ending up in the news with NHTSA fines, issues, or lawsuits.

Could this have been OTA? Quite possibly. Is this something that's permitted currently in US law by the NHTSA? No, not explicitly. Is Porsche willing to gamble reputation in publicity like Tesla? It doesn't seem so.

 

[iamfrozt]

One final thing, I know for a fact that my dealer doesn't want to waste time doing these types of things for Taycan (or other porsche) owners. It's an annoyance to owners. This most definitely isn't 'let's get people through dealership doors'. My dealership was unbelievably apologetic that I had to bring my car in for this a week after taking ownership. Most good dealers that live on reputation and try to uphold a certain quality level for Porsche don't want their customers to have a sub-par experience.

Again, I think this is almost certainly attributed to US guidelines not permitting automakers to be as flexible with OTA as some other automakers have taken upon themselves.

 

[DrT]

This is not a real problem, just a feature that contradicts with US legislation. It is a normal feature in other markets. The News is a bit misleading, its purpose is to avoid accidents.

 

[TontoTaycan]

Huh? It's been all over the place recently here. We actually have been discussing it since before there recall announcement. Just about every new car arriving at dealerships in the US needs a software update for the recall.

Edit: as to the actual problem, don't think it really is one. Cars ship with the software to other markets as it is in compliance with their regulations. For some reason it isn't in the US.

"Taycan Stop Sale" is the most prominent thread discussing the issue:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/taycan-stop-sale.7006/

I was referring to the specific example of the hazard light, not the recall. This was new to me, apologies if this hazard light problem isn't new.

Also, if the hazards do come on, every car I've owned always has it on the dashboard as simultaneous right and left signal. That isn't happening here, it's silent?

 

[riburn3]

I was referring to the specific example of the hazard light, not the recall. This was new to me, apologies if this hazard light problem isn't new.

Also, if the hazards do come on, every car I've owned always has it on the dashboard as simultaneous right and left signal. That isn't happening here, it's silent?

No idea. Don't think as you mentioned, this has ever been an issue for anyone and actually seems like a safety feature allowed in every market but the US.

It sounds like the car detects certain conditions and automatically engages the hazards. But I guess it might be a little zealous? Again, doesn't seem to be the case since no one actually is reporting this issue.

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