All Taycan deliveries being held at port due to needing new heaters

[Thierry880]

My CT was supposed to be delivered End of February. However postponed until August earliest.
It has been produced and sent to a storage facility until a heater unit can be installed.
According to my SA all Taycans with a production date after Calendar Week 5 are on hold and will not be delivered until a new heater unit has been developed and rolled-out.

What annoys me is that the car is basically ready, produced in February and once I receive it it will be 6+ months old. What does that do to the value of the car? Did anyone of you cancel their contract?

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[whitex]

Without knowing what the 2 sides of the heat pump are connected to I have no idea whether it could add heat to a completely cold morning startup or not.

Unless there is some way for the battery to heat itself, I don't know enough about batteries or how these are connected to know, the only source of heat I can see for the preheating is the HV heater, and it is actually irrelevant which valves are used to mix the various flows in the system, there is nothing else.

Once the car has been running for a while the HV heater may not be on at all.

One other possible source of heat could be the motors. Tesla runs the motors inefficiently on purpose in order to generate heat, if needed. Apparently, even when the car is stationary, they can generate decent amount of heat by energizing the motors such that windings are magnetic fields are fighting each other (essentially tuning motor's coils into resistive heaters, adding powerful heaters with 0 weight gain). I have no idea if Porsche uses such techniques.

 

[Kev946]

My CT was supposed to be delivered End of February. However postponed until August earliest.
It has been produced and sent to a storage facility until a heater unit can be installed.
According to my SA all Taycans with a production date after Calendar Week 5 are on hold and will not be delivered until a new heater unit has been developed and rolled-out.

What annoys me is that the car is basically ready, produced in February and once I receive it it will be 6+ months old. What does that do to the value of the car? Did anyone of you cancel their contract?

If this is the case I will be cancelling my order and placing an order for a MY24. No way am I accepting a car that has sat in storage for 6 months. I think most people in europe would do the same. With a delivery time of 4-5 months why would you accept a car that has sat in storage for 6 months.

 

[BigBob]

My CT was supposed to be delivered End of February. However postponed until August earliest.
It has been produced and sent to a storage facility until a heater unit can be installed.
According to my SA all Taycans with a production date after Calendar Week 5 are on hold and will not be delivered until a new heater unit has been developed and rolled-out.

What annoys me is that the car is basically ready, produced in February and once I receive it it will be 6+ months old. What does that do to the value of the car? Did anyone of you cancel their contract?

I just had my heater replaced. According to the service guy, they did install a new/upgraded heater, though he also said a lot of dealers were still replacing like for like. Maybe advantage of using a dealer that is owned by the porsche group.

So it seems a new part is available, so wait is for production rather than development and production.

But having to wait until August for the part - that's a nightmare, sorry. My new part took 1 week.....

 

[Scandinavian]

In a system such as this with 3 circuits and multiple mixing valves nothing is likely to be "directly".
I hadn't thought of internal battery heating, don't know enough about the battery to even know if that would be possible.
The other item potentially putting heat into the system is the heat pump where fitted, but I haven't seen where that is in the circuit, so no idea.

Ido not think the heat pump option is like a heat pump in a house. It seems neither Tesla or Audi are using the outside air convert that energy to heat. In the Audi training manual it states that the Heat Pump uses the residual heat from the battery, but can also use the residual heat from the two motors ( and probably other HV components?). I do not have a heat pump Installed, but anybody that has the option would hear a fan running when preheating if it takes the energy from the air.

And I would be very surprised if Audi and Porsche would have chosen two different approaches to solve the heating.

For me it sounds most likely that the 10 kW heater is used to heat the whole car including the battery. It seems else to be an overkill with such a large heater element for only the cabin. I would have thought a 2 kW heater element would be sufficient in most cases.

 

[Scandinavian]

If this is the case I will be cancelling my order and placing an order for a MY24. No way am I accepting a car that has sat in storage for 6 months. I think most people in europe would do the same. With a delivery time of 4-5 months why would you accept a car that has sat in storage for 6 months.

Sounds like there is a huge lack of information within the Porsche system. Think about the factories continuing to produce vehicles for 6 months at a run rate of perhaps 40k cars per year. Where would they store 20 k cars?

 

[Kev946]

Sounds like there is a huge lack of information within the Porsche system. Think about the factories continuing to produce vehicles for 6 months at a run rate of perhaps 40k cars per year. Where would they store 20 k cars?

I thought exactly the same. If there really is insufficient heaters for 6 months they would stop production. So we have to hope these heaters start to become available once they have cleared some of the backlog.

 

[annieland]

Ha, ha. Given your posts here, I sincerely doubt your only criteria was Porsche (since it was a Porsche dealer), electric, and pink. I suspect you went in with specific options in mind, perhaps even a build code, again, just based on your prior posts I've read so far (you don't strike me as clueless). Nice dramatic effect through

I love the compliment, thank you! I actually learn very fast . I'm probably one of the few who wanted the car before realizing it was electric. Sure, dramatic flair is fun, but uhhh... trust me, my description isn't far off. I keep thinking about my first post here, just a few months ago, and I'm still smacking myself in the head at how little I understood about the car after I put down the $1k demand deposit. When I got the allocation it was time to get serious. So excited to keep learning though!

 

[annieland]

Sorry if this is neither here nor there, but after having a discussion with my husband last week to explain to him the situation with the heaters and holds, he suddenly started to get interested. I told him that no, the cars are not shipped in what he was envisioning as "containers" and I showed him some videos of the RoRo carriers and how it's all done. Then he wanted to know where exactly they put all these cars when they need service at the port. I said I don't know, but I'm sure the info is out there if you want to find it.

He sent me this link https://www.pashagroup.com/news/porsche-selects-pasha-baltimore-processing. I had NO idea this sort of operation exists. But it makes total sense. It does make me feel better to know there's an actual facility for this stuff.

 

[irrelevant]

My CT was supposed to be delivered End of February. However postponed until August earliest.
It has been produced and sent to a storage facility until a heater unit can be installed.
According to my SA all Taycans with a production date after Calendar Week 5 are on hold and will not be delivered until a new heater unit has been developed and rolled-out.

What annoys me is that the car is basically ready, produced in February and once I receive it it will be 6+ months old. What does that do to the value of the car? Did anyone of you cancel their contract?

In the US, it wouldn't be just six months old, it would be an entire model year old.

If we hear similar from our dealer, who has communicated they will have the car the end of this week, I'll discuss options with my wife, since it will be her car. I'd lean towards cancelling the order, and negotiating for one of the many lightly-used Taycans that are beginning to show up in dealer inventory...or simply exiting the market entirely. With interest rates now at 7% in the US, car sales are likely to slow significantly for customers who are financing.

I suspect if we're told of another six month delay for a part that isn't necessary for vehicle operation during the next six months where we live, this would be our first and only "Porsche experience". At the end of the day, is it really just a Volkswagen with some fancy badges stuck on it?

 

[Bigal1267]

my GTS ST arrived at Houston Port on 3/6 and it's been there since. SA said he recieved a two lists of stop sale vins and my car is not on it. For what's worth, I also didnt get the pop up msg on TYD on heater delays. TYD still has the delivery date of 3/11...

Just stinks nobody could tell me exactly what's going on and updated timeline.

 

[Kev946]

my GTS ST arrived at Houston Port on 3/6 and it's been there since. SA said he recieved a two lists of stop sale vins and my car is not on it. For what's worth, I also didnt get the pop up msg on TYD on heater delays. TYD still has the delivery date of 3/11...

Just stinks nobody could tell me exactly what's going on and updated timeline.

Same here, make me very angry that they just don't care.

 

[malogos]

Car in port since Feb 18th. Still no update from the factory or SA... just two posts in this thread about delays until Oct or Aug.

 

[Alex74]

This is the new heater. (Production march 5th 2023) It’s installed today in my CT. Also with a new on board charger, i saw my old one as well.(second one) (production june 2021), new PCM (5th !) and steering house.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

I thought exactly the same. If there really is insufficient heaters for 6 months they would stop production. So we have to hope these heaters start to become available once they have cleared some of the backlog.

Replace 'heater' with 'aux battery', and it's 2022 all over again.

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