Taycan Sales Declining

[mikezhang31]

Now I’d buy a Taycan without the tax breaks and in preference to any ICE equivalent. And I’m a lifelong petrol head. Surely I can’t be the only one?

Nope. I traded in my Range Rover sport for the taycan. I traded in my 911 c4s for the Range Rover. I also have a Ferrari in the garage, traded in my Aston for it. Traded in my lotus for the Aston… etc.

I love the taycan. I wanted a super wagon, it was down to the rs6 or the taycan. Didn’t even factor into my decision that it was electric. The fact that I only have to spend $30 a month on “fuel” is the cherry on top

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[Chas1]

Nope. I traded in my Range Rover sport for the taycan. I traded in my 911 c4s for the Range Rover. I also have a Ferrari in the garage, traded in my Aston for it. Traded in my lotus for the Aston… etc. I love the taycan. I wanted a super wagon, it was down to the rs6 or the taycan. Didn’t even factor into my decision that it was electric. The fact that I only have to spend $30 a month on “fuel” is the cherry on top

 

[Ztarman]

One persons rock is another persons brick, a 3 tonne paperweight. So disappointing.

 

[snstevens]

One persons rock is another persons brick, a 3 tonne paperweight. So disappointing.

I looked at the history of your posts, and it seems you’ve only had issues of one sort or another since January. While you have my sympathy, there are Lemon Laws in most locales to cover situations such as yours, and I’m wondering why you have not taken advantage of that option.

Of course, perhaps all the problems are resolved. Is that the case or do you see some value in keeping the car and posting frequently about your unhappiness?

 

[Ztarman]

I looked at the history of your posts, and it seems you’ve only had issues of one sort or another since January. While you have my sympathy, there are Lemon Laws in most locales to cover situations such as yours, and I’m wondering why you have not taken advantage of that option.

Of course, perhaps all the problems are resolved. Is that the case or do you see some value in keeping the car and posting frequently about your unhappiness?

The car broke down yesterday on the way from the garage after a repair. If you have read my posts you will see I love the appearance and drive of the car. I was hoping for a cure but have now asked for a replacement. It’s clear I’m not the only one to have had these problems and believe Porsche needs to be held to account to get these issues fixed. Are you unhappy I post these experiences?

 

[Chas1]

One persons rock is another persons brick, a 3 tonne paperweight. So disappointing.

 

[Bognar67]

Porsche originally planned and set up the assembly line to produce 20k Taycan per year. Additionally made ready to assembly 911 on the Taycan line, in the case if sales lower than this capacity. in 2020 - seeing the high demand - the capacity has been doubled to 40k.
Making 42-45k per annum is possible as a highest limit.
So Taycan is a huge success already.

We are living in the World when permanent growth is a 'must', 5% decline seems end of the world.

Finally seeing the (still) long waiting lists, no huge amount of cars on lots, we have to believe what Porsche says: reason of the decline is a shortage of some parts, mostly semi-conductors. This car needs ca. 5k of this, more than double as an ICE car.

 

[snstevens]

The car broke down yesterday on the way from the garage after a repair. If you have read my posts you will see I love the appearance and drive of the car. I was hoping for a cure but have now asked for a replacement. It’s clear I’m not the only one to have had these problems and believe Porsche needs to be held to account to get these issues fixed. Are you unhappy I post these experiences?

You can post whatever you want, but for the record, most of us have not had any serious problems with our Taycans and are enjoying driving them every day without the issues you describe. Six+ months of issues is not a common experience. Your situation is what “Lemon Laws” were created to address.

My hope for you is that you either get a Taycan that works, or move on to some other vehicle. At some point hopefully you will want to change your Account picture to something other than the red screen of death. Good luck!

 

[achaudh]

Second qtr sales figures for Porsche have been released and Taycan sales continue to decline. Compared to the same period last year, Taycan sales have declined by 35%. That's quite significant. I am starting to wonder if Porsche blaming supply chain issue is still the crux of the decline or there is something else going on? EV's in general are piling up on dealer lots with average days on lots much higher than ICE vehicles. I noticed depreciation on Taycan's being substantial too. Not intend to get into war of words here with anyone as I am a Taycan fan though have not taken the plunge yet but just concerned about Taycan's future. Is the low mileage but higher price the reason? What do you all think?

BTW: Taycan sales declined worldwide too while Porsche sales overall went up. I do not buy Porsche's assertion about supply issues when every other can maker is now back to normal and there are countless articles about chip manufacturing back to pre-COVID levels. I think the reason behind the delay that still persists with Taycan delivery is because Porsche may very well be focusing on other models if Taycan sales are sagging so they may be manufacturing fewer Taycan's. That's also a great way to keep prices and demand artifically inflated.

At any rate, next couple years will be great as Macan EV comes to the market followed by Cayenne. I also plan to check out Audi A6 Etron and BMW i5 so good options to have though I am set on Taycan.

Porsche Taycan Global Sales Decreased In Q2 2023 To 8,839 Units (insideevs.com)

 

[xyeahtony]

BTW: Taycan sales declined worldwide too while Porsche sales overall went up. I do not buy Porsche's assertion about supply issues when every other can maker is now back to normal and there are countless articles about chip manufacturing back to pre-COVID levels. I think the reason behind the delay that still persists with Taycan delivery is because Porsche may very well be focusing on other models if Taycan sales are sagging so they may be manufacturing fewer Taycan's. That's also a great way to keep prices and demand artifically inflated.

At any rate, next couple years will be great as Macan EV comes to the market followed by Cayenne. I also plan to check out Audi A6 Etron and BMW i5 so good options to have though I am set on Taycan.

Porsche Taycan Global Sales Decreased In Q2 2023 To 8,839 Units (insideevs.com)

Other Porsche Models do not have mysterious stop sales, heater issues, leaking battery seals, etc. Nothing demand related but all supply/material related.

 

[Bognar67]

…every other car maker is now back to normal and there are countless articles about chip manufacturing back to pre-COVID levels. [/QUOTE]
I do not agree. We have ordered our BMW i4 exactly a year ago. Excepted/hoped production is October. Every time I open the configurator there is a blue line with a notification “waiting time is much longer than usual …. blablabla .
My Taycan GTS has been arrived after 9 months waiting time.
So how about EVERY other manufacturer?

 

[achaudh]

…every other car maker is now back to normal and there are countless articles about chip manufacturing back to pre-COVID levels.

I do not agree. We have ordered our BMW i4 exactly a year ago. Excepted/hoped production is October. Every time I open the configurator there is a blue line with a notification “waiting time is much longer than usual …. blablabla .
My Taycan GTS has been arrived after 9 months waiting time.
So how about EVERY other manufacturer?
[/QUOTE]


Not sure but I think BMW started taking orders well in advance. Also, the initial roll-out takes longer IMO due to production ramp-up. Taycan is already 3-4 years in now in its cycle. Again, I am no expert but just sharing my thoughts. We all have our own opinions and plans on which car to buy. I personally do not own a Taycan currently so any signifcant price drop for me is welcome. That will not be the case for people who already own it but then again, we all know, cars are not an investment unless its a one-of-a-kind rare build.

 

[Bognar67]

I do not agree. We have ordered our BMW i4 exactly a year ago. Excepted/hoped production is October. Every time I open the configurator there is a blue line with a notification “waiting time is much longer than usual …. blablabla .
My Taycan GTS has been arrived after 9 months waiting time.
So how about EVERY other manufacturer?

Not sure but I think BMW started taking orders well in advance. Also, the initial roll-out takes longer IMO due to production ramp-up. Taycan is already 3-4 years in now in its cycle. Again, I am no expert but just sharing my thoughts. We all have our own opinions and plans on which car to buy. I personally do not own a Taycan currently so any signifcant price drop for me is welcome. That will not be the case for people who already own it but then again, we all know, cars are not an investment unless its a one-of-a-kind rare build.
[/QUOTE]
BMW i4 has been released in March, 2021. Good enough time ago, to be able to ramp-up.
Can't see significant price drop, it just turned back to normal (depreciation) as any other similar class cars at this price range.
Anyway any kind of price drop effecting only that (minor) part of the owners, who want to sell their cars. Keeping the car=no depreciation.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Not sure but I think BMW started taking orders well in advance. Also, the initial roll-out takes longer IMO due to production ramp-up. Taycan is already 3-4 years in now in its cycle. Again, I am no expert but just sharing my thoughts. We all have our own opinions and plans on which car to buy. I personally do not own a Taycan currently so any signifcant price drop for me is welcome. That will not be the case for people who already own it but then again, we all know, cars are not an investment unless its a one-of-a-kind rare build.

I have no idea what the situation is in the other poster's market of Hungary, but in the U.S., BMW has pretty much caught up on the i4 ... pretty much.

The situation here at first was absurdly bad, b/c BMW in 2021 started taking so-called pre-orders for 2022 delivery. But that was really just a wait list to get on a specific dealer's allocation wait list.
So the wait to be able to wait to place an actual order to have the car produced and shipped was ... impressively (in a bad sense) long.

Flash forward to today, and allocations for the two RWD trims are available immediately at most U.S. dealers, along with reasonably spec'ed vehicles actually in inventory, at modest discounts off MSRP.

The two AWD trims are more of a mixed bag. I placed my deposit on the M50 in early February (the only AWD trim that was available at the time) and took delivery three months later (with about half of that interval = waiting at the German port + sailing the high seas).
But I emailed about a dozen dealers and placed deposits with four different dealers.

I'm still reading about nightmare stories of would-be M50 purchasers making almost no progress on a dealer's allocation wait list, but I suspect those dealers are allowing line jumping, and such frustrated buyers have always cast their lot with only a single dealer.

Meanwhile, BMW has provided highly encouraging timelines for i5 pre-orders. We'll see how that works out!

(As for personal plans on which car to buy, for me, to replace my current A6 Allroad, probably in 2025, that would be the BMW i5 Touring, with the larger battery from the iX and i7. Plus access to the Tesla Supercharger network! Failing that fantasy, then Audi S6 e-tron Allroad. Failing that fantasy, then either A6 e-tron or 4CT.)

 

[DRR]

^ Agreed that VAG will most likely be last. But if everyone else cooperates with capitulates to Tesla, then VAG will be losing out on sales to potential EV owners in North America who want a more reliable charging network. Although Lucid and Kiundesis will also be in a tough spot since their marketing emphasizes the fast charging speed, but they'll be down to 50kW at Superchargers. (And looks like the Magic Dock stations will not be expanded given the planned CCS access at 12k Superchargers in 2024, at least for the companies that have announced agreements so far. All I'm asking for though is W Lebanon NH and St J VT!)

I'd like access to a supercharger in West Virginia since EA has none in that state.

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