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I know somebody that had a Tesla model S full battery replacement out of warranty costing 10000 euro. (with a refurbished battery)
How can a Taycan battery replacement be 5 times more expensive ?
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My build was just after Tesla added the shielding. Guy in front of me swerved out of the way, but I was unable to avoid a semi tire/rim laying flat on the highway…any swerve and I would’ve hit it with a wheel for sure, so I straightened out and went right over. Took it to service right after and they all admired the scratches from the bolts along the titanium shield….but nothing more serious than that.

for as much flack as Tesla gets, it was nice to see how quickly they responded to the few (and it really was only a few) incidents of batteries being punctured from road debris etc…..yes it was to save their reputation/brand/existence at the time, but still very quick acting. Let’s hope this issue is an unfortunate one off with the Taycan
 

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I know somebody that had a Tesla model S full battery replacement out of warranty costing 10000 euro. (with a refurbished battery)
How can a Taycan battery replacement be 5 times more expensive ?
Does not Belgium have the Porsche tax? I have been paying it for over a decade now.
 

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I have to think that fluid is the power steering fluid since I immediate lost steering ability after the impact.

I don't know where the windshield wiper fluid reservoir sits, but I can't imagine it sits that far forward to where it would have been punctured and leaked.
this is probably radiator, but, in fact i believe the wiper fluid res is right in the front there... wouldn't that be a nice miss if it were only that.
 

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California, for example, has a program that lets you file a claim for damage caused by faulty roads - https://dot.ca.gov/online-services/submit-damage-claim. I know, second hand, of someone who was reimbursed when a large pothole ruined their tire and wheel. I wonder if Colorado has something similar?

Yes, my version of CDOT - Colorado Dept of Transportion - has something similar. As soon as get the estimate from the dealership, I will be filling out paperwork.

I am going to go all crazy suburban housewife with too much time on their hands over this. I am mad, sad, frustrated, and in mourning. I had a couple of fun trips for college football games in Sept. planned with the Taycan that I will now have to do in the Rivian. I really like my Rivian, but it is not my CT4s.
 


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this is probably radiator, but, in fact i believe the wiper fluid res is right in the front there... wouldn't that be a nice miss if it were only that.

Your words to the ears of the Porsche gods!

I am hoping all of the bad karma I have generated does not come back to haunt me on the repair. If the battery is damaged, then I would bet it is a minimum 6 month wait time since they have to ship a new one via boat to the US.
 

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I saw a poor soul on Facebook post that his battery took some debris damage, piercing and overheating it.
Because it was caused by road damage, warranty does not apply.

Some commenters suggested he file with insurance, but that's not good news either as it will translate into higher premiums for all of us once insurance companies pay a few of these out.

I'm a big fan of electrics but I have to admit this gives me pause.
It even made me start looking at Targas again...especially since Porsche is being pigheaded about not electrifying the 911, and an E-Targa would be my dream car.


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Yeah i would suck up the premium and just get Insurance to pay. hopefully just 50% increase in premium
 


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This can happen to anything...I lost my MDX years ago to a piece of scrap rebar on I-10. Hit it at night at 65 MPH and it cracked the crankcase, split my transmission in two, pierced the rear differential, and blew out a tire. My son and I were lucky to be able to pull it off the road under control. The truck was a total loss. Of course it wasn't a 100K vehicle.

Point being, road debris can take out anything. I'd hate to have hit that rebar in my 911.
Yep. that's way for this car. Should buy whatever warranty or protection there is, definitely tire and rim, it covers compliant third party rim and tire too. I am tempted to ask about the Porsche insurance too.
 

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I saw a poor soul on Facebook post that his battery took some debris damage, piercing and overheating it.
Because it was caused by road damage, warranty does not apply.

Some commenters suggested he file with insurance, but that's not good news either as it will translate into higher premiums for all of us once insurance companies pay a few of these out.

I'm a big fan of electrics but I have to admit this gives me pause.
It even made me start looking at Targas again...especially since Porsche is being pigheaded about not electrifying the 911, and an E-Targa would be my dream car.


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Wouldn’t debris which punctured and damaged do potentially more damage to an ICE vehicle, puncturing a fuel tank for example might end up being more expensive for insurance than a battery replacement.
 

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It will take a while before component parts are available but IMO rebuilding or repairing the batteries of EVs will be where the work is in a car maintenance business in future.

Replacing damaged parts rather than the whole battery is a no brainer if the battery pack is cleverly designed.

There is almost no maintenance required in the motors and transmissions, they don’t get hot enough to degrade the lubricant and few wearing parts.
It may not be the case if the future. Tesla used to have repairable batteries, but recently switched do disposable ones instead. The latest Tesla batteries are designed to be ground down into sand, which is in turn recycled by treating it as an ultra rich ore. According to their numbers this has a lot of benefits, from simplifying production, skipping repair/refurbish steps, and it recaptures most of the materials for new batteries. Their sales pitch does seem to make sense - cheap unrepairable but 99% easily recyclable batteries. If this proves out, I suspect the rest of the industry will follow. Today Tesla has the most experience and data on EV and battery production and lifecycle, so they do have the most credibility.
 

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@thecoloradokid , you might also want to take this up with the local agency responsible for road maintenance. I know that here in California you can make a claim against road damage with Caltrans for things like wheel bends, breaks and tire punctures from a pothole if there has been, I believe, 2 reports previously filed stating that it poses a danger. For your situation, something that contacted the Taycan like that would likely kill (seriously!) a motorcyclist and puncture truck tires, not to mention break wheels on normal cars so someone may have mentioned it. It might be worth checking to see if Colorado has a similar damage claim system (assuming that's where this happened). It may not be well advertised for obvious reasons.

[edit: I see others wrote about filing a claim along the same lines, I was just slow typing :) ]

You might also be able to file a lawsuit against Colorado DoT if the damage is bad enough (e.g. car is totaled) and the road has been in that condition due to a recent repair, which it looks like based on the dark asphalt filler that you have in the 3rd picture. Looks like it may have been a bad repair by a road maintenance contractor.

Let me point out the obvious, I'm not a lawyer and the above should not be considered legal advice. Check with a licensed attorney for Colorado laws that may protect you in this situation.
 
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Last Friday I ran over a piece of metal that was sticking up from where a bridge and the roadway meet - there are metal rails at that junction point - doing 80mph in moderate traffic. I did not see the chunk of metal until it was too late, and since the metal was wedged in the spacing/gap between the road and the bridge there was no give to the debris and it did a number on the car.

My CT4s when airborne for a second and when I hit the ground I realized I had no steering, and I could not budge the steering wheel . Luckily, the wheels were still point mostly straight, so I slowed down as I drifted to the shoulder. The car next to me saw what happened and gave me some clear space to drift off the road. If the wheel had been more at an angle, I would have hit other traffic, or flown right off the highway at speed.

It was some scary shit.

I had the car towed to the Porsche dealership, and am still waiting to hear the full extent of the damage. I have my insurance company engaged, and told them to kiss my ass because they wanted the car sent to a 3rd party repair facility. Until I know if there is any damage to the battery, no one is looking at the car other than a certified Porsche mechanic.

In the pictures you can see how high the debris was sticking up and the damaged it caused to the front underside of the car. I am hoping that by going airborne for a second I cleared the battery of any damage.

I went out the next morning to where the chunk of metal was sticking up, and that had damaged more cars than my own, and the Colorado Dept of Transportation had been out over night to do repairs. Luckily, in Colorado, if you can establish that the roadway debris was there because of shoddy work on the part of the state, they will pay for repairs. I am going down this path because I don't want the insurance company to have to carry the massive financial burden it will cost to fully repair my CT4S.


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Any dashcam footage? Could be useful proving negligent road maintenance.
 

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Any dashcam footage? Could be useful proving negligent road maintenance.

Unfortunately not. I do have pictures of a police car parked in a spot where the road damage was after I hit the object, pictures of other cars being towed, confirmation that the police were called to the scene after I hit the object because of road damage, pictures of the car on the tow truck, pictures of the car damage that can only be a result of hitting something on the road, and pictures of the road repair work done the night of the incident to repair the road damage.

I believe I have enough evidence to back up my case. But we will see. The dealership has had the car for 6 days and still has not had a chance to look at the car, so I am starting to get a little frustrated since I would at least like to understand the amount of the damage.
 

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okay this is just great... i think i need to park my car and never drive it again because i'm scared of this shit happening to me!
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