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Hopefully all that "blood" on the ground is power steering fluid and not battery coolant.
I think the coolant circuit includes everything not just the battery and maybe a pipe of cooler was damaged.
From the sound of things the car was an instant casualty so won’t have overheated anything even if it is coolant.
Fingers crossed.
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Hopefully all that "blood" on the ground is power steering fluid and not battery coolant.

I have to think that fluid is the power steering fluid since I immediate lost steering ability after the impact.

I don't know where the windshield wiper fluid reservoir sits, but I can't imagine it sits that far forward to where it would have been punctured and leaked.
 

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I have to think that fluid is the power steering fluid since I immediate lost steering ability after the impact.

I don't know where the windshield wiper fluid reservoir sits, but I can't imagine it sits that far forward to where it would have been punctured and leaked.
Electric steering=no fluid.
 

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Last Friday I ran over a piece of metal that was sticking up from where a bridge and the roadway meet - there are metal rails at that junction point - doing 80mph in moderate traffic. I did not see the chunk of metal until it was too late, and since the metal was wedged in the spacing/gap between the road and the bridge there was no give to the debris and it did a number on the car.

My CT4s when airborne for a second and when I hit the ground I realized I had no steering, and I could not budge the steering wheel . Luckily, the wheels were still point mostly straight, so I slowed down as I drifted to the shoulder. The car next to me saw what happened and gave me some clear space to drift off the road. If the wheel had been more at an angle, I would have hit other traffic, or flown right off the highway at speed.

It was some scary shit.

I had the car towed to the Porsche dealership, and am still waiting to hear the full extent of the damage. I have my insurance company engaged, and told them to kiss my ass because they wanted the car sent to a 3rd party repair facility. Until I know if there is any damage to the battery, no one is looking at the car other than a certified Porsche mechanic.

In the pictures you can see how high the debris was sticking up and the damaged it caused to the front underside of the car. I am hoping that by going airborne for a second I cleared the battery of any damage.

I went out the next morning to where the chunk of metal was sticking up, and that had damaged more cars than my own, and the Colorado Dept of Transportation had been out over night to do repairs. Luckily, in Colorado, if you can establish that the roadway debris was there because of shoddy work on the part of the state, they will pay for repairs. I am going down this path because I don't want the insurance company to have to carry the massive financial burden it will cost to fully repair my CT4S.


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super sad for your loss - glad however you are fine.

one of my favorite posters on the forum - i hope it all comes out well for you!
 

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fluid is most likely cooling from damaged front radiators
 


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It even made me start looking at Targas again...especially since Porsche is being pigheaded about not electrifying the 911, and an E-Targa would be my dream car.
This can happen to anything...I lost my MDX years ago to a piece of scrap rebar on I-10. Hit it at night at 65 MPH and it cracked the crankcase, split my transmission in two, pierced the rear differential, and blew out a tire. My son and I were lucky to be able to pull it off the road under control. The truck was a total loss. Of course it wasn't a 100K vehicle.

Point being, road debris can take out anything. I'd hate to have hit that rebar in my 911.
 

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fluid is most likely cooling from damaged front radiators
Fingers crossed it is something like this. Right now my main concerns are battery damage, and frame damage from high speed impact on an object that did not move and caused the vehicle to momentarily go airborne. I am still trying to figure out what connection was severed to cause the steering to go out and freeze.

I really don't want my vehicle to be totaled because the car now costs $10k more to spec than when I initially ordered, and interest rates were much, much lower in June 2022 than they are now.

I do feel lucky and grateful my passenger and I were not hurt, or worse. But, damn, I it makes me sad because of the 30 cars I have owned in 30 years, this is my favorite.
 

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I guess the thing that really bugs me is how disproportionate this battery cost is compared to the entire car.

In the case of my GTS that's a third of the MSRP.
Seems like the solution there is to buy a Turbo S.
 


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It will take a while before component parts are available but IMO rebuilding or repairing the batteries of EVs will be where the work is in a car maintenance business in future.

Replacing damaged parts rather than the whole battery is a no brainer if the battery pack is cleverly designed.

There is almost no maintenance required in the motors and transmissions, they don’t get hot enough to degrade the lubricant and few wearing parts.
+1 on this

almost makes me think i should open A specialist EV only repair shop…
 

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Last Friday I ran over a piece of metal that was sticking up from where a bridge and the roadway meet - there are metal rails at that junction point - doing 80mph in moderate traffic. I did not see the chunk of metal until it was too late, and since the metal was wedged in the spacing/gap between the road and the bridge there was no give to the debris and it did a number on the car.

My CT4s when airborne for a second and when I hit the ground I realized I had no steering, and I could not budge the steering wheel . Luckily, the wheels were still point mostly straight, so I slowed down as I drifted to the shoulder. The car next to me saw what happened and gave me some clear space to drift off the road. If the wheel had been more at an angle, I would have hit other traffic, or flown right off the highway at speed.

It was some scary shit.

I had the car towed to the Porsche dealership, and am still waiting to hear the full extent of the damage. I have my insurance company engaged, and told them to kiss my ass because they wanted the car sent to a 3rd party repair facility. Until I know if there is any damage to the battery, no one is looking at the car other than a certified Porsche mechanic.

In the pictures you can see how high the debris was sticking up and the damaged it caused to the front underside of the car. I am hoping that by going airborne for a second I cleared the battery of any damage.

I went out the next morning to where the chunk of metal was sticking up, and that had damaged more cars than my own, and the Colorado Dept of Transportation had been out over night to do repairs. Luckily, in Colorado, if you can establish that the roadway debris was there because of shoddy work on the part of the state, they will pay for repairs. I am going down this path because I don't want the insurance company to have to carry the massive financial burden it will cost to fully repair my CT4S.


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California, for example, has a program that lets you file a claim for damage caused by faulty roads - https://dot.ca.gov/online-services/submit-damage-claim. I know, second hand, of someone who was reimbursed when a large pothole ruined their tire and wheel. I wonder if Colorado has something similar?
 

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A 50000 dollar bill for fixing cooling tubing for a battery pack ? It sounds like Porsche is abusing the situation to have new source of income to replace oil changes on ICE cars.
It can't be that expensive to repair.

Even if they have to replace it with an entire new battery pack, it cannot cost 50000 euro. There are many cars that cost less that include such a battery pack.
Plus, the batteries on a Taycan are in separate modules. So at least the old modules have some after-market value.
 

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A 50000 dollar bill for fixing cooling tubing for a battery pack ? It sounds like Porsche is abusing the situation to have new source of income to replace oil changes on ICE cars.
It can't be that expensive to repair.

Even if they have to replace it with an entire new battery pack, it cannot cost 50000 euro. There are many cars that cost less that include such a battery pack.
Plus, the batteries on a Taycan are in separate modules. So at least the old modules have some after-market value.
The shell is a structural element of the car. The battery cells/elements can be no doubt reused, cooling lines are cheap (unless they used channels in the battery's frame for that - not the first time*) but this effectively requires new sheet metal stamping, forming, assembling into a battery etc.

*Back in the day, Porsche was fond of tubular framing for their race cars. At times, they used lightweight (Mg) material for the tubes and pressurized them to detect cracks. At other times, they used the tubes to circulate oil between the engine at the rear and the radiators at the front.
 

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The shell is a structural element of the car. The battery cells/elements can be no doubt reused, cooling lines are cheap (unless they used channels in the battery's frame for that - not the first time*) but this effectively requires new sheet metal stamping, forming, assembling into a battery etc.

*Back in the day, Porsche was fond of tubular framing for their race cars. At times, they used lightweight (Mg) material for the tubes and pressurized them to detect cracks. At other times, they used the tubes to circulate oil between the engine at the rear and the radiators at the front.
Sure, but how can that cost 50000 euro. There are complete cars with such a battery that cost 50000 euro.
 

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Sure, but how can that cost 50000 euro. There are complete cars with such a battery that cost 50000 euro.
Well, I'm sure you'd agree they are not keeping a stack of spare batteries around, so any replacement is made to order. That is, the cost of a replacement battery is an added cost to the manufacturer, and so they can charge their actual cost + their desired profit margin + cost of the 'deviation' from the normal production plan.

I seem to recall batteries cost a minimum of 10k USD - these being the cheaper formulations and reduced capacity. Not inconceivable to assume a PB+ would cost towards upper 20k, even 30k. On top of that you'd add the work (and materials) to install the cooling, the electronics modules, programming, installing in the car, and possibly even the cost of recycling the old one. Say upper 30k/lower 40, then + typical Porsche profit margin (20% on cars, and far more on parts).

But really, look around for any Porsche of any vintage: the 'engine' (in the 'propulsion solution' sense) is the singular most valuable part of the car. Without it, the vehicle is just a shell with maybe $5k worth of second-hand parts.
 
 








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