New 4S, Low Range…

[adamuk73]

No there is some sort of algorithm to use the friction brakes until they are properly bedded in before regeneration proper starts.
It happens again for a mile or so first time you drive after a while to clean up the discs.

That's good to know. Thanks for sharing

Sponsored

 

[Archimedes]

12,000 miles on my 4S. Range has been 215-220 since day one. Hasn’t changed. It’s almost dead on the Porsche estimator for my spec and type of driving.

 

[RGBArgee]

My CT 4S is on 3000 miles . 21in wheels 93kwh battery. 252 is the new normal. Previous identical model 180-230???

 

[Dave Birch]

my Ct 4s has just clocked 450 miles. From day one fully charged was showing 200 miles remaining. This morning after full charge is now showing 270 miles.
I think it is just a matter of time and use.

Me too. I regularly get 250 at 95% as rarely charge to 100% in my CT4S

 

[tchavei]

Does regen not kick in straight out of the box on the Taycan?

Regen kicks in exactly at 600km with normal driving. Mine engaged when the odometer moved from 599 to 600. Hardly a coincidence.

First 600km are used to bed in the brakes as already mentioned.

 

[Alfa]

Mine made it to 264mi at 100% yesterday after a road trip. I have 21inch wheels.

 

[feye]

Hi everyone and as always apologies if there’s a thread on this - I’ve trawled but to no avail! I picked up my ST 4S at the end of June but have been away since then and so have only done around 400 miles in the car. I’ve charged it twice...

Well, how can the guess o meter know far you can drive with a charge, if you haven't really driving the car?

 

[Dollymite]

Well, how can the guess o meter know far you can drive with a charge, if you haven't really driving the car?

Yep, I see that now, thanks. I was thinking of it as more of a “fuel tank gauge” when it is, as you say, a guessometer.

 

[AmpedUp]

The other thing to note about regen... the car won't regen when the battery is at or near 100% SoC (because there is no capacity left to charge). If you want the best "mileage" possible, only charge to 85% normally. This will allow regen to work the moment you pull out of your driveway. Obviously, if you need the range from the other 15%, charge all the way to 100% (e.g., you are going on a road trip). Otherwise, leave some space for regen to do its thing and you'll consume a bit less electricity.

If you are constantly going out with 100% SoC and most of your trips are short, even after the brakes are bedded and regen starts, you might not use it that often. This wears your brakes a bit faster and causes you to consume more kWh, and will cause your car's computer to assume a low efficiency average... and cause the range estimate to drop based on that crappy average.

So unless I need the range, I never charge more than 85%.

 

[Bumski]

Range depends a lot on where you drive and how you drive. Recently I did a 160 mile trip with Econ drive mode engaged, kept it under 75 mph, and had the added benefit of descending 3000 ft in elevation by the time I reached my destination. After charging up at an EA station my estimated range was ove 350 miles. So the algorithm that estimated my range took the latest trip into account. Needless to say when I traveled back over the mountains, my range came back to normal.

 

[Ross]

The other thing to note about regen... the car won't regen when the battery is at or near 100% SoC (because there is no capacity left to charge). If you want the best "mileage" possible, only charge to 85% normally. This will allow regen to work the moment you pull out of your driveway. Obviously, if you need the range from the other 15%, charge all the way to 100% (e.g., you are going on a road trip). Otherwise, leave some space for regen to do its thing and you'll consume a bit less electricity.

If you are constantly going out with 100% SoC and most of your trips are short, even after the brakes are bedded and regen starts, you might not use it that often. This wears your brakes a bit faster and causes you to consume more kWh, and will cause your car's computer to assume a low efficiency average... and cause the range estimate to drop based on that crappy average.

So unless I need the range, I never charge more than 85%.

You won’t regen anywhere near 15%.
But good advice about sticking to 85% max charge unless you need it as preserves battery.

Last year I set off from Chamrousse ski station. First 20 miles are down the mountain to Grenoble. Nearly 4000ft descending in 20 miles.
In a moment of wild optimism I charged to 90% only.
Got to the bottom pretty much coasting or braking the whole way.
Doing -(minus!) 25kw per 100 miles on the trip at the bottom.
Battery went to 92%. Only a 2% gain.
Regen is a very marginal gain.
If you want range minimise Kw use in the first place.
The range rule is,
coasting and no braking.
If you have to brake it means you have unnecessarily used KWs and the regen you get back will be a fraction of what you have burnt to go too fast in the first place.
Taycans are fabulous but Porsche has not invented the perpetual motor.

 

[Dollymite]

The other thing to note about regen... the car won't regen when the battery is at or near 100% SoC (because there is no capacity left to charge). If you want the best "mileage" possible, only charge to 85% normally. This will allow regen to work the moment you pull out of your driveway. Obviously, if you need the range from the other 15%, charge all the way to 100% (e.g., you are going on a road trip). Otherwise, leave some space for regen to do its thing and you'll consume a bit less electricity.

If you are constantly going out with 100% SoC and most of your trips are short, even after the brakes are bedded and regen starts, you might not use it that often. This wears your brakes a bit faster and causes you to consume more kWh, and will cause your car's computer to assume a low efficiency average... and cause the range estimate to drop based on that crappy average.

So unless I need the range, I never charge more than 85%.

Noted, thank you. I thought I’d set it to 85% via settings but charger (Andersen) still charging to 100% so I’ll look at that tonight.

 

[Archimedes]

Most critical factor is how you drive. If you drive fast and hammer it everywhere, you’ll get 210-220 miles. If you want to get 250+ miles, you need to be easy on the go pedal. OP after you put a couple thousand miles on the car, check your TOTAL average speed SINCE PURCHASE in the app. Mid 20’s, good range. Mid 30’s, not so much.

 

[AmpedUp]

You won’t regen anywhere near 15%.
But good advice about sticking to 85% max charge unless you need it as preserves battery.

Last year I set off from Chamrousse ski station. First 20 miles are down the mountain to Grenoble. Nearly 4000ft descending in 20 miles.
In a moment of wild optimism I charged to 90% only.
Got to the bottom pretty much coasting or braking the whole way.
Doing -(minus!) 25kw per 100 miles on the trip at the bottom.
Battery went to 92%. Only a 2% gain.
Regen is a very marginal gain.
If you want range minimise Kw use in the first place.
The range rule is,
coasting and no braking.
If you have to brake it means you have unnecessarily used KWs and the regen you get back will be a fraction of what you have burnt to go too fast in the first place.
Taycans are fabulous but Porsche has not invented the perpetual motor.

To be absolutely clear, I never meant to imply that you could possibly regen 15% (maybe if you started at the top of mt everest?). I just know that above a certain percent - and I don't know if that's 99%, 95%, 90% or 85% - but at a certain percent and above the car will stop attempting to regen.

I charge to 85% for regular daily driving simply because that is the recommendation of Porsche. While I know from experience 85% is low enough to immediately benefit from regen, it is likely the threshold for losing regen is much higher than 85%. I'd be interested to know if anyone knows what percent that is.

EDIT: I guess from your post, we know it is at least 92%. Maybe it is 92%, which is why you only gained 2% on the way down the mountain?

 

[AmpedUp]

Noted, thank you. I thought I’d set it to 85% via settings but charger (Andersen) still charging to 100% so I’ll look at that tonight.

It sounds like you set the minimum charge to 85% and failed to set up a timer.

The minimum charge is exactly that... it will charge immediately to the minimum. And it will keep charging unless you give it a reason to stop.

The only way to get it to stop is with a timer. You must set a time and charge percentage. I set mine as follows:

Profile: Minimum charge set to 25%, which is the lowest you can set it, with "optimized charging"

Timer: charge to 85% at 5AM. It will start charging several hours before and finishes right at 85% at 5AM and stops charging there.

There is no "maximum charge" setting, so this is the workaround everyone uses.

Sponsored