All Season Tyres. Help please.

[Archimedes]

Not an issue... if my M4 summer performance tyres ever last 15,000 miles I am smiling...

All UK cars (regardless of make/ model) only come with summer tyres - I would be hard pressed to find a manufacturer providing anything else as standard factory fitment.

All Seasons/ Winters are available for some makes/ models as add-ons... but as @f1eng has pointed out... this is more of a rarity than the norm.

Most drivers in the UK are ignorant about all season or winter tyres; have never driven a car with such tyres - so do not know the difference or the benefits... so unfortunately, low demand for winters/ all seasons.
This makes it a pain to find winters/ all season tyres in the UK - for the few folks who want such tyres.

I’m talking about UHP tires, such as the PS4S or PZero. You telling me that all the cars in the UK come with tires like that on the car? That’s moronic. Why would you put UHP tires on a family sedan or compact utility car? It’s totally unnecessary and just a massive waste of money and resources.

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[simcity]

I’ve got absolutely no clue what a UHP tyre is.

Clue me up will you Archimedes please. For us poor ignorant and moronic folk over this side of the ditch. ?

 

[Porsche-Guru]

I’m talking about UHP tires, such as the PS4S or PZero. You telling me that all the cars in the UK come with tires like that on the car? That’s moronic. Why would you put UHP tires on a family sedan or compact utility car? It’s totally unnecessary and just a massive waste of money and resources.

Yes, in the UK.... BMWs and Porsche's are regularly fitted with 'so called UHP' tyres like Michelin PS4S, PSS, PS2 and Pirelli Zero... as standard factory fitment.

To be honest, in the UK, all these tyres are just called Performance Summer Tyres and not Ultra High Performance (UHP) Summer Tyres.

 

[whitex]

Just a thought: winter tyres are better than all seasons…and summer are better in summer.
Taycan is heavy vehicle, and i’d never take a risk, using all seasons on a 150k€ car…

What tires would you use if you lived in a place where temperatures fall under 8C at night but get into the 20C's during the day? Swap summers to winters twice a day?

 

[Archimedes]

I’ve got absolutely no clue what a UHP tyre is.

Clue me up will you Archimedes please. For us poor ignorant and moronic folk over this side of the ditch. ?

Ultra High Performance. Basically what we call a summer tire. My guess is you folks call other tires summer tires. I can’t imagine VW is putting PS4S’s on Golf’s in the UK.

 

[Archimedes]

Yes, in the UK.... BMWs and Porsche's are regularly fitted with 'so called UHP' tyres like Michelin PS4S, PSS, PS2 and Pirelli Zero... as standard factory fitment.

To be honest, in the UK, all these tyres are just called Performance Summer Tyres and not Ultra High Performance (UHP) Summer Tyres.

So a Taycan CT comes only with PZeros or PS4S. What about a VW Golf or Honda Accord?

 

[B61]

What tires would you use if you lived in a place where temperatures fall under 8C at night but get into the 20C's during the day? Swap summers to winters twice a day?

I’d follow advice from technicians in your area
My 3rd winter is coming with Taycan and I’ve never had snow on roads yet.
Tyres behaves different under 10C, that’s why I’m changing to winter’s somewhere by the end of October. These days, here’s close to zero during the night, up to 15 through the day.
During summer we have up to 40C… and winter (and even all seasons) tyres doesn’t like such conditions…
And even if I’m not driving like I have stollen car, I believe that’s better to have the best tyres,,especially on a 150k vehicle…

 

[WuffvonTrips]

So a Taycan CT comes only with PZeros or PS4S. What about a VW Golf or Honda Accord?

I'd guess that brands/models/variants that don't have sporty pretensions come with tyres that are labelled "summer", but that might just distinguish them from tyres with declared ability on snow or ice, not necessarily that they have high performance compounds that are more temperature sensitive. Cost/durability/comfort is presumably more important than sporty performance in many cases. (I confess it's nothing that I've ever looked in to, maybe cheap rubber is just as problematic at low temps).

 

[whitex]

I’d follow advice from technicians in your area
My 3rd winter is coming with Taycan and I’ve never had snow on roads yet.
Tyres behaves different under 10C, that’s why I’m changing to winter’s somewhere by the end of October. These days, here’s close to zero during the night, up to 15 through the day.
During summer we have up to 40C… and winter (and even all seasons) tyres doesn’t like such conditions…
And even if I’m not driving like I have stollen car, I believe that’s better to have the best tyres,,especially on a 150k vehicle…

It's not always practical to have the most optimal tires for a particular weather, if that optimal tire changes every few days or even multiple times a day. At noon, the best tire for 23C is a summer tire, but driving at night at 8C you probably should change to winter tires. So sometimes you just have to make compromises, and get a tire which can handle the temperature swings. Personally I live somewhere where such swings do happen in spring and fall, so I use winter tires in the winter when temps stay under 10C most of the time (very rare snow, but temps crossing hitting 0C often enough, plus occasional trip into the snow), and all-season tires for the rest of the year. I could use summer tires maybe 2-3 months of the year, but really don't feel like keeping 3 sets of tires for each car at home. If you really want to go full optimal, you could keep different tires for rain vs. dry in the summer too, but I'm definitely not going to do that, unless I'm racing the car on a track, then sure, put on different tires for rain vs. dry.

 

[B61]

Agreed, but as I said, since i’m not a racing driver, i adapt driving speed to circumstances on the road…
I’ve been thinking on all seasons as well, since I’m retired, so who knows, maybe I’ll do that in a year or two…

 

[senwar]

Bit gutted I can't get all-seasons for my forthcoming CT4.

Have had them on my last few cars (SUV's) and they're brilliant. My current Pirelli Scorpion Verde that came standard on my Velar have been excellent and considering size/weight of the car, the fact they still have 4mm at least on them after 34k is superb

 

[f1eng]

and all-season tires for the rest of the year.

All season tyres aren’t really a “thing” here, though I did see in tyre reviews that the term is used for different types of tyre on each side of the pond.

My local tyre dealer has marketing posters for Michelin crossclimate tyres but I don’t think many people buy them and certainly no maker I know of fits them as standard to new cars in the UK.

I use the tyres normally supplied in summer and winter tyres once the ambient drops below 10C more often than not - I will probably change all our cars this week.
My Taycan was delivered on Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 and I bought wheels with Pirelli PZero winters from my dealer.

I have used Dunlop and Continental winter tyres based on reviews on

https://www.tyrereviews.com/ whichever tested best when I was buying

OTOH it is clear from their tests that for a UK climate it would be best to use all seasons for winter.

 

[cityhpper]

Personally, I'm curious on how a top-rated all season tire like Michelin Cross Climate 2 would fare in the conditions we usually face in my area. Considering I'm right by the coast and climate seems to get wetter and warmer, I would estimate that 90 percent of my driving during October - April are on wet/salted roads.

As noted by @f1eng, all-season tires are more or less not a thing in Europe (some exeptions, though). I reached out to Continental Europe last year, and asked about the possibilities to get some all-season tires for the Taycan. They replied back that those tires (this was the DWS 06 Plus) were not "approved" for Europe so could not be sold here. No more information was provided, but it left me with a suspicion that manufacturers and resellers are very keen to sell two sets of tires to a customer, instead of just one.

 

[simcity]

I ran Michelin CrossClimate2’s on the Tesla as my ‘winter’ tyre. Worked well in the winter months, but they were definitely sub optimal from late spring to late summer in my opinion.

You could really tell the difference between a UK/Europe spec Michelin summer tyre of the exact same size and profile (Latitude Sport 3) in the warmer months.

Personally I would NOT run a performance saloon car like Taycan in UK/Europe on “our” all-season spec tyres all year round.

Conversely I would and I do run the certified Porsche ‘winter’ tyres - during the colder months. Note the different size and wheel profile to our Porsche spec summer tyres - which also makes a difference as much as specific compound and tyre construction, certainly for my Taycan variant.

 

[Porsche-Guru]

Ultra High Performance. Basically what we call a summer tire. My guess is you folks call other tires summer tires. I can’t imagine VW is putting PS4S’s on Golf’s in the UK.

Yes, I would not be surprised with Golf being factory fitted with PS4S or Pirellis... not sure about the Honda Accords though.

Most German manufacturers usually do put good summer tyres as factory fitment for cars sold in the UK...
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