"Pre-series Taycan" prototype (presumably Turbo GT model-to-come) beats Turbo S around Nurburgring by 26 seconds (and Model S Plaid by 18 sec)!

[Jasper4S]

This is the steering wheel from the gt3. Looking at that one, the location of the dial suggests it is not a boost button.

Other question, who / what will be the target audience for this Turbo GT? taycan is a 4 seats luxury car, not sure if someone with the budget will get this car as track car. Not only because it is a 4 door, but also the EV / charging infrastructure at tracks is not there yet.

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[DougFrisk]

Agreed that for expert driving you want all aids off and as much manual control as possible, but for the primary use of the Taycan, I'd think most drivers prefer to use aids like traction control and full power available like the power of turbochargers - at the top end of the throttle, without having to enable it separately - perhaps like Audi does this, by having a drive mode setting to extend the power band with overboost which is only reachable for some number of seconds every so many seconds.

Out of curiosity, how would manual boost activation work in an EV? When enabled, car produces max power regardless of throttle setting until time elapses or brake pedal is hit? Or would manual activation just extend the power band - so only activated with high throttle just like in the automatic scenario but with limited availability of a few seconds?

In the video it looks like the driver is holding down the right paddle to initiate it and releasing it to stop the extra power mode. The countdown on the dash is likely to automatic shutdown of the extra boost.

Honestly, the primary user of the Taycan will love that. "I need to pass this truck, I shall engage the Oscillation Overthruster."

For those not up on their classic cinema, the Oscillation Overthruster was what Buckaroo Banzi used to have adventures across the 8th dimension. Since an AC motor creates thrust from the oscillations in current from the inverter and this mode releases current over normal limitations this feature is absolutely the Oscillation Overthruster.

 

[whitex]

In the video it looks like the driver is holding down the right paddle to initiate it and releasing it to stop the extra power mode.

So the paddle overrides the throttle? Warp-9 button?

 

[DougFrisk]

So the paddle overrides the throttle? Warp-9 button?

I don't know about overrides, but the mapping of the accelerator probably changes while it's being held. Probably the equivalent of the remapping that happens when going from normal to sport plus just time limited.

 

[whitex]

I don't know about overrides, but the mapping of the accelerator probably changes while it's being held. Probably the equivalent of the remapping that happens when going from normal to sport plus just time limited.

So I guess all I would have to do to get what I want is to tape the paddle down to always enable boost when I stomp on the accelerator pedal.

 

[WuffvonTrips]

Other question, who / what will be the target audience for this Turbo GT? taycan is a 4 seats luxury car, not sure if someone with the budget will get this car as track car. Not only because it is a 4 door, but also the EV / charging infrastructure at tracks is not there yet.

I guess it'll get tracked slightly more often than the Cayenne GT.
The Taycan will be fun in short bursts...I'm slightly surprised that it managed a full hot lap before thermal management intervened- my own data from visits to the Silverstone International Circuit with Turbo and Turbo S indicated a theoretical maximum 30 miles before power drops, but thermal management intervened after as few as 10 miles. Thankfully Porsche provided a second car to use while the other was recharging and cooling down.
Bragging rights to Top Dog at Nordschleife appear to matter, and bestow some credit to the more lowly models in the range. I've always said that a 4S has more than enough performance for the majority of use, but that didn't stop me getting a Turbo. I might even eventually swap it for a GT once someone else has taken the eyewatering depreciation hit on that, but by then, nuclear-powered hovercars could be the latest thing.

 

[violuma]

Oscillation Overthruster

The icon on the button should be a watermelon.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

So I guess all I would have to do to get what I want is to tape the paddle down to always enable boost when I stomp on the accelerator pedal.

I imagine the system would work as follows:

while pedal is at 100% ("WOT")
and battery conditions are met (temp, available voltage/current etc.)
and manual control is active
{ unleash hell/turn it up to 11 }

I'd further imagine said 'manual control' would be paddles, actuated simultaneously (for true explicit authorization/avoid inadvertent boost) so that the driver need not remove hands from the steering wheel. (That is, a button in the lower quadrants won't work.)

And as to why you wouldn't have that all the time: the 'boost' implies a time limit, or another form of constraint which should not be used without the driver's explicit intention. In the ICE world, BMW offered a similar functionality on their M3 (CS? or GTS.. been too long) - a button press would trigger spraying the intake with water from a small reservoir, to cool down the charge air (and so deliver, momentarily, more power). In this case, I imagine the logic is: "can deliver X amps max safely and indefinitely; can deliver 1.1 X amps for up to 10s". If you WOT and you get 110% amps by default, it'd be downright dangerous to fall back to lower current in the 11th second.

 

[Vim Schrotnock]

I guess it'll get tracked slightly more often than the Cayenne GT.
The Taycan will be fun in short bursts...I'm slightly surprised that it managed a full hot lap before thermal management intervened- my own data from visits to the Silverstone International Circuit with Turbo and Turbo S indicated a theoretical maximum 30 miles before power drops, but thermal management intervened after as few as 10 miles. Thankfully Porsche provided a second car to use while the other was recharging and cooling down.
Bragging rights to Top Dog at Nordschleife appear to matter, and bestow some credit to the more lowly models in the range. I've always said that a 4S has more than enough performance for the majority of use, but that didn't stop me getting a Turbo. I might even eventually swap it for a GT once someone else has taken the eyewatering depreciation hit on that, but by then, nuclear-powered hovercars could be the latest thing.

From a tracking perspective, there are some tracks that will not allow electric cars because of the fire suppression problem. Anyone else heard this?

 

[MissionE]

I need those headlights, they look awesome. Hope there will be a retrofit for first gen Taycans

They look the same to me. It’s the new headlight system that would be physically different.

 

[MissionE]

It's hard to tell from that edited clip but I did not see any body roll from that car at any point. Very impressive.
Gotta love the arms race! ???

Guess that answers the question as to whether “Active Ride” will make it to Taycan.

 

[MissionE]

I just wanna see a few data points from the "new" Taycan for this sort of "record":

• top speed higher - I think they must for this sort of lap
• battery temps - and was there any limiting - if they've upped their game on cooling big step forward for stamina
  • the current gen Taycan is kinda a 2 lap wonder for "the ring" - can't get much more than 2 laps before it's overheated the battery
• good job beating the plaid - but price divergence needs to be considered - plaid fits traditional "value" for "money" of american muscle car vs. the europeans
• was that diesel generators I saw in the background for fast charging? wonder why they didn't use the supercharger right at the ring - Eifel-Ardennen-Straße, 53520 Nürburg, Germany
• charging taper curve - wondering if it's flatter deeper into SOC
• regen - wonder if there is higher regen on the new model
• aero shaped suspension bits for the new Taycan stolen from the 911 GT3 RS - that would be fun!
• understand the charging regiment for this type of effort

as noted by others I love me some competition - this is what pushes things forward - love it!

7.07.xx is a great time puts this thing right up there in terms of performance cars - a 7.07.xx in top trim Taycan is going to be way more comfortable DD vs. the stuff that surrounds it on the leader board

keep in mind folks this is a 5 passenger sports sedan that you can actually drive to/from the grocery store vs. _ALL_ the stuff surrounding it on the leader board which are 2 seater dedicated sports cars that really aren't that comfortable to drive - 7.07.xx for a sports sedan with full creature comforts vs. the stripped down super cars surround it is just mind boggling…nothing in that part of the leader board is remotely "normal" in terms of sedan like vehicle.

Or, why they’re releasing a press release this early/late. They’ve been testing this car out there for a while now; are we meant to believe this is the first attempt at recording it’s performance? Seems like a Marketing ploy.

It’s admirable, but your average owner isn’t going to touch this kind of limit. I suppose knowing that it ‘can’ is the point. And notice the driver has race head-support….but they’re gonna sell the actual model with standard sport seats ?

I surely hope they did this purely in the spirit of engineering. Personally tired of the Tsla comparison, because there’s isn’t one. I would hope Porsche isn’t so insecure they would have to keep one upping other manufacturers.

There is no substitute.

 

[MissionE]

I find this video interesting but not relevant to me since that style of driving isn’t my thing.

I may be a bit pessimistic b/c I am still holding a grudge over the exterior styling which appears to be a step backward in pursuit of performance (not in keeping with the Porsche ethos).

Porsche if you are listening, bring in the new head lights, with a small HP and range bump…..throw in a few interior buttons and you have yourself a 2nd gen winner!

New headlights are a go. As is apparently Active Ride. Black teardrop front fascia is out with a much more balanced vertical airvent design as standard.

 

[MissionE]

although it has what we think is the refresh bumper, it doesn’t have the refresh headlights.

Because they will likely be optional. As will the new sport fascia [which will, of course, be standard on this high performance version.]

 

[MissionE]

The question I have is why would you need to activate and deactivate boost? Why not tie it to the accelerator? Is there any lag time from the time you activate it to the time it's available (cooling pumps need to spool up like turbos?) or is this just another Porsche antiquated concept like the ignition switch?

Because people like to turn things on and off. But I’m with you; it should be intrinsic.

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