Any hope for significant update when MY 2025 introduced?

[unbiased]

Any hope for any of the following happening when the MY 2025 is introduced?

- More battery capacity available?
- More power via software update to unlock any reserves that the motors may have?
- PCM upgrade to match what is being introduced with Macan EV?

That would be a way for Porsche to increase the value of the current Taycan on the road...even though any of the above would be un-porsche like.

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[Crazymind]

For sure it will be more expensive with more basic equipment.

 

[UKPerson]

I've spoken to a couple of dealers in the UK this week about the Taycan facelift with regards range. One said it would get a significant bump in range. The other said the the real world range would be >300 whereas current models were typically achieving 220-250.

 

[Reg]

There is no reason for them to update the capacity or power. They prefer you just get a new car after 3-4 years if you really are chasing a little extra power.

They may do a PCM upgrade if it is totally backward compatible with the hardware, but I doubt the hardware would be.

 

[Perry]

There is no reason for them to update the capacity or power. They prefer you just get a new car after 3-4 years if you really are chasing a little extra power.

They may do a PCM upgrade if it is totally backward compatible with the hardware, but I doubt the hardware would be.

It will be interesting to see what happens, seeing how so far there have been relatively minor changes throughout the years, and those changes have mostly been back-ported to the older models too.

Personally, I feel that how they decide to handle future PCM and other software changes on existing cars will have quite a significant weight on whether my next car will be a Porsche or not.

Say what you want about Tesla, but they successfully set the standard for car software. My 2015 Model S is still receiving essentially the same software updates that a 2024 Model S is, including the possibility to upgrade the CPU for a cost. That is what one should expect from Porsche too.

 

[unbiased]

In order to achieve around 300 miles they have to make more battery capacity available. With the equivalent battery capacity like the current Taycan you won’t get there even if the motors become more efficient. Hopefully that higher capacity trickles down to current cars.

 

[bluesky]

Actually they aren’t motivated to make any backwards portable changes. After all, why encourage buyers to get a used Taycan when you can entice them to a new post-refresh model? Especially when new Taycan sales have tanked. I mean, why else do manufactures even do a mid-cycle refresh? To make the previous buyers happy? Hardly. No, it is to try to entice new buyers by showing them something new with a model that’s been for sale for a few years already when a new model is still many years from market.

I’m quite curious to see if the newer PCM is going to be part of the refresh, it is a possibility. BMW certainly has not shied away from electronics and ECU updates mid-cycle; I was so glad my M5 got the updated I-Drive head-unit/controller-interface and HUD over my other car with the same chassis before the refresh.

 

[amelen]

I don't expect any major changes on a mid-cycle refresh. They don't typically make big changes that would allow for larger batteries or different tech.

 

[007]

I don't expect any major changes on a mid-cycle refresh. They don't typically make big changes that would allow for larger batteries or different tech.

I beg to differ… they gotta do something significant, especially in the range/battery, otherwise I don’t see the refresh selling well.

 

[EGGY41]

In order to achieve around 300 miles they have to make more battery capacity available. With the equivalent battery capacity like the current Taycan you won’t get there even if the motors become more efficient. Hopefully that higher capacity trickles down to current cars.

I was told by a dealer that battery capacity is increasing to 107 and that there would be new, more efficient motors which all in would lead to a range improvement of approx 25%. Seems to chime with the current marketing blurb re the new Macan.

 

[anonymouse]

In-life upgrades are an Apple and Tesla thing. Another few decades before the conventional car industry catches up: even if the tech exists today to add performance to their fleet they are too focused on selling you the next model. Once you drive it away it is dead to them other than as a service revenue stream.

 

[TAYC4S]

It will be interesting to see what happens, seeing how so far there have been relatively minor changes throughout the years, and those changes have mostly been back-ported to the older models too.

Personally, I feel that how they decide to handle future PCM and other software changes on existing cars will have quite a significant weight on whether my next car will be a Porsche or not.

Say what you want about Tesla, but they successfully set the standard for car software. My 2015 Model S is still receiving essentially the same software updates that a 2024 Model S is, including the possibility to upgrade the CPU for a cost. That is what one should expect from Porsche too.

Why? Porsche does not have to compete with Tesla - it operates a completely different model with a typically completely different customer profile. It is not trying to be a mass producer of EV’s - VW does that for them. They will likely get better but I doubt their strategy is to compete with Tesla.

 

[W1NGE]

Any hope for any of the following happening when the MY 2025 is introduced?

- More battery capacity available?
- More power via software update to unlock any reserves that the motors may have?
- PCM upgrade to match what is being introduced with Macan EV?

That would be a way for Porsche to increase the value of the current Taycan on the road...even though any of the above would be un-porsche like.

UK dealers are test driving in Portugal this quarter.

More range 100% certain - same battery (gross) as Macan EV so not massive and be wary of the WLTP range quoted. It will be like a PB++ with a few extra cells in a differing arrangement. Standard 400V DC to 800v DC conversion (currently an option that people forget about). In UK in winter our 205 will become 225 miles and in summer our 235 will become 255 miles on average (is my guess). So not a step change but as they say 'every little counts'.

Expect PCM tweaks, headlights as per new Macan (my guess), a few minor cosmetic tweaks.

Porsche don't do radical facelifts remember so more a morphing exercise.

Won't help values - UK EVs are in the doldrums not helped by Porsche UK pre registering many MY23 Taycans and discounting heavily (my dealer has a new / pre-reg 73 mile on the clock) TTS and TT at £137K (TTS has £40K price reduction !!!) - it will take some time before 2nd hand prices settle (or even recover) IMHO.

Impact of this may impact the Macan EV sales in UK also - once bitten twice shy and all of that. Macan will also come with ICE option so there will be a choice for a while which will confuse the EV position even further in my opinion.

 

[whitex]

A bump in price is likely, especially for the tri-motor GT model for sure. Other than that, probably only incremental changes. Maybe slightly larger battery (match the Macan EV 100KWh?). The Macan interior and PCM look very similar, passenger screen has polarization to prevent the driver from looking at its content so Taycan will probably get that. Some improvements in range, maybe, though I will wait for real world tests to confirm whether those are just theoretical or actual, but even then, I don't see it being a huge bump (less than 20% - personally I would prefer 20% lighter and cheaper with same range as old Taycan). All speculations of course. Maybe Porsche will surprise us with am "affordable" 1,000hp+ beast (without LC) which will beat the Model S Plaid for less than twice its price. I wouldn't bet on it though.

 

[W1NGE]

I think we'd all like the 4 motor G-Wagon (EQG) feature which supports 720 deg on the spot turning / spinning - each motor on each axle works in opposite directions for this 'party trick'. Demoed in Las Vegas (obviously) recently.

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