Kyle Conner goes 311 miles in '25 Taycan 70mph range test

[rocketjsquirrel]

Reading all these posts regarding range, I wonder to myself that I must be somehow inferior as I rarely have a need to have a range of 300-400 miles. When i do travel long distances, I m never in any rush that I have stress out over how long i have to spend at the charging station, etc. most of my travel is in the 100-200 km range and i do just fine...thank you very much ? Do you all travel these long distances routinely?

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[freeforall]

Impressive. I am not sold on the new front, but the updated efficiency, bigger battery, and faster charging speeds, make it hard to not want to upgrade.

Beyond the fancy numbers, this is what the real life promise from Porsche when they introduced the new Taycan (it takes into account both better range and faster charging)

Now, the real question is: how much extra money people are willing to pay to upgrade to an uglier car but reduce their 13h40 min trips by 40 min? ?
Everybody should think how many of those trips they do and of course the shorter the trip is, the lower the benefit will be.
I did my math, I am certainly among the current owners that are not wiling to pay 70k for that. I will just spend extra 20 min for the couple very long trips I do each year and keep a beautiful car.

 

[Bill33525]

We are seniors and do a 1K mile road trip several times a year to see the kids & grands. The longest leg we plan is 180 miles, where we can hardly wait to get out of the car and take a walk. The other legs are in the 120-140 mile range. This new car would be done charging long before we would return to the car from a rest stop. The fast charging of the new car would be great for a race but is probably an over kill for most road trippers.

 

[thecoloradokid]

Everyone makes good points about the looks of the new Taycan, the range improvements, and potential that would have on long distance road trips.

I regularly drive my Taycan from Denver to Las Vegas or Phoenix - which is 750 miles/1,200kms or 860 miles/1,350kms - and I knock those drives out in a single day. Taking an hour or 90 minutes off those drives is significant. Is it significant for upgrading my Taycan CT4S to one that is not quite as attractive and more expensive? I am still doing the math on that.

I do know that with the extended range I could knock off 3 stops on my drives to Phoenix, but my 55 year old broken prostate needs to those stops anyway. I would just reduce my stop from 20 minutes to 5 minutes. I would love this, but is it worth the vehicle upgrade?

I know the Macan had to go EV first for business/revenue purposes, but I wish Porsche had done the Cayenne first as an EV and that it would have 325 miles of range. That will be the vehicle I need!!!

 

[irrelevant]

Reading all these posts regarding range, I wonder to myself that I must be somehow inferior as I rarely have a need to have a range of 300-400 miles. When i do travel long distances, I m never in any rush that I have stress out over how long i have to spend at the charging station, etc. most of my travel is in the 100-200 km range and i do just fine...thank you very much ? Do you all travel these long distances routinely?

The US has states that are bigger than some countries, and travelling from one major population center to another can easily be 500+ miles once you get outside the coastal areas. The DCFC infrastructure for CCS vehicles isn't fully developed in the US yet, and most drivers here are used to making trips of several hundred miles by car. I know families who drive 1,000 miles each way to go to Florida (I can't understand why, for a number of reasons).

I personally don't mind stopping for 15 minutes for a quick charge...I need a restroom break after about three hours in any case.

What I don't enjoy is arriving at a DCFC and having to wait for a dispenser, which is becoming more common here. The level of ignorance here among drivers of EVs is staggering. I see so many Chevy Bolts (with peak charge rates of 55KW) plugged into the precious few "hyperfast" 350KW dispensers, when 150KW dispensers are available. Sunday I saw a Mustang Mach-e (peak charge rate 110-150KW) plugged into a 350KW, and a Genesis GV70 at the other 350KW dispenser, trickle charging at 20KW for the last 4% of battery capacity. There were 150KW stations available prior to the Mach-E's arrival...I'd been watching availability for an hour while driving to the site.

No one would care about range if DCFC were as ubiquitous, reliable, and available as gasoline stations, and the charge time was 10 minutes or less. We're a long way from that.

I'll take an airplane for a trip >300 miles. Cars are the wrong tool for that job.

 

[rocketjsquirrel]

I can understand your point, of course. Here the charging network is far from perfect, and needs to be expanded. But I am comfortable with travelling within Europe on long trips knowing that I will have some nice breaks in between.

 

[Scandinavian]

We are also seniors and travel quite long distances several times per year. Not all in one go but enjoying some stop overs. Long trips normally consist on a daily drive of 900 - 1000 km if In a hurry (nearly always my case?). We have just finished one leg of 4800 km and plan the return trip now.

For me the desire is to have longer range, because in practical terms you only use ca 70% of the battery for fast progress.

A normal drive and charge stop is from about 80 % down to 10 %, in order to have the quick charging times. So 70% of the battery capacity, except perhaps where you stay overnight and can charge to 100%. Under 10% will be upsetting my co pilot too much after a very early mishap with the Taycan’s range.

At present in my car that is about 70%*350 km = 245 km

In the new Taycan it would be about 350 km.
That would equal about 2.5 hours on French motorways and less than 2 hours on Autobahn at night time.

On this trip with an ICE we did at least 400 km between stops, but the roads were unusually clear as well. So travel time was much less in the ICE Car.

 

[irrelevant]

I can understand your point, of course. Here the charging network is far from perfect, and needs to be expanded. But I am comfortable with travelling within Europe on long trips knowing that I will have some nice breaks in between.

In the US, your "nice breaks" will be at a Wal-Mart parking lot while charging.

 

[Scandinavian]

In the US, your "nice breaks" will be at a Wal-Mart parking lot while charging.

That is perhaps the big difference here in Europe. We are lucky that most Ionity, Aral Pulse, BP Pulse, Fastned, Shell and Total, are co located with Petrol stations along major motorways.
Tesla chargers are a mixture with some along motorways, but more often close to some larger shopping centers. And some distance from the route.

 

[thecoloradokid]

In the US, your "nice breaks" will be at a Wal-Mart parking lot while charging.

You are complaining about having to charge for 20 minutes in a Walmart parking lot? Good god.

At least there is a spot to easily go pee, easy access from an interstate most of the time, and it is usually well lit at night. Outside of major urban areas, the local Walmart provides the only location with enough infrastructure and parking to put in a fast charging solution. Is charging at a Walmart in Colby, KS or Hays, KS perfect? Nope, but it is a lot better than the alternative of not having a charger or it being in some other location without stuff you need while on a road trip, like a clean bathroom!

Lots of people drive from St. Louis to Chicago, or St. Louis to Kansas City. They drive from Houston to Dallas. Or they drive from Denver to Albuquerque. There is not a lot going on in terms of a national chain that offers parking and access to high amounts of electricity between those vast distances, so Walmart it is. Be thankful it is that most of the time, and not some run down locally owned convenience store that does not have a national reputation to keep.

Anyway, while a person stops at lot of Walmarts while on a road trip in many parts of the country, my 750 mile drive from Denver to Las Vegas includes a charge stop at a Target, a Loves travel center, and a local coffee shop in Green River, UT. The other three stops I stop to charge are at rural Walmarts in Utah and Nevada. So, while you see a lot of Walmarts on road trips leveraging the Electrify America charging network, it is not exclusive.

I'll let you know if they open a Whole Foods in Cedar City, Ut.

 

[irrelevant]

You are complaining about having to charge for 20 minutes in a Walmart parking lot? Good god.

At least there is a spot to easily go pee, easy access from an interstate most of the time, and it is usually well lit at night. Outside of major urban areas, the local Walmart provides the only location with enough infrastructure and parking to put in a fast charging solution. Is charging at a Walmart in Colby, KS or Hays, KS perfect? Nope, but it is a lot better than the alternative of not having a charger or it being in some other location without stuff you need while on a road trip, like a clean bathroom!

Lots of people drive from St. Louis to Chicago, or St. Louis to Kansas City. They drive from Houston to Dallas. Or they drive from Denver to Albuquerque. There is not a lot going on in terms of a national chain that offers parking and access to high amounts of electricity between those vast distances, so Walmart it is. Be thankful it is that most of the time, and not some run down locally owned convenience store that does not have a national reputation to keep.

Anyway, while a person stops at lot of Walmarts while on a road trip in many parts of the country, my 750 mile drive from Denver to Las Vegas includes a charge stop at a Target, a Loves travel center, and a local coffee shop in Green River, UT. The other three stops I stop to charge are at rural Walmarts in Utah and Nevada. So, while you see a lot of Walmarts on road trips leveraging the Electrify America charging network, it is not exclusive.

I'll let you know if they open a Whole Foods in Cedar City, Ut.

Not complaining...just not what I'd consider a "nice break", as the poster I quoted mentioned. Utilitarian...nothing more or less.

 

[thecoloradokid]

Not complaining...just not what I'd consider a "nice break", as the poster I quoted mentioned. Utilitarian...nothing more or less.

I will take utilitarian over nothing.

in Kyle's new video he just loaded 67kWh in 15 minutes. That is insane. That means less time sitting in a Walmart parking lot.

 

[irrelevant]

I think the charging speed improvement is the best feature of the v.2 Taycan, but it won't matter when all the 350KW dispensers are occupied by vehicles that can't utilize that level of current output.

I noticed the EA site at the WAWA in New Castle, DE has recently been upgraded to 5 dispensers, each capable of outputting "up to" 350KW, with total load balanced across the site, which is a significant improvement over the previous "ultra fast" and "hyper fast" 150KW & 350KW dispensers. Hopefully EA continues this across their network.

 

[kmcdonal]

Reading all these posts regarding range, I wonder to myself that I must be somehow inferior as I rarely have a need to have a range of 300-400 miles. When i do travel long distances, I m never in any rush that I have stress out over how long i have to spend at the charging station, etc. most of my travel is in the 100-200 km range and i do just fine...thank you very much ? Do you all travel these long distances routinely?

300 miles of range in warmer weather equates to 200-225 when the weather gets really cold (0F or colder). I do a fair number of trips in the 175 to 200 mile range so I will take any range I can.

 

[Hirschaj]

My main complaint is the lack of cover from sun and rain at almost all of these sites. Who decided that was a good idea? Have none of these people ever seen a gas station? I’m fine with Walmart, I just want a damn roof.

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