I need help choosing between 2 Taycans 4S

[W1NGE]

Thanks for the replay.
Which one is missing the 400 150 DC charging booster or both of them are?

Read the specs again as one has it listed as the DC booster- many people missed this option and at the time dealers were clueless as to what this option was for.

Sponsored

 

[Murph7355]

So to make it simple for me, how long would a car without On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW take to charge from 0-80%??
And would that be different if I use a tesla charger?

The simplest way would be to select a 350kW charger. This is what I do when using public chargers, which is rare. I've never had a material problem having access to them, the satnav makes it easy.

How often do you expect to be doing longer journeys. Be honest with yourself - a lot of people think they're regularly long hauling for 9hrs at a stretch. It's rarely the case.

 

[MKM]

The simplest way would be to select a 350kW charger. This is what I do when using public chargers, which is rare. I've never had a material problem having access to them, the satnav makes it easy.

How often do you expect to be doing longer journeys. Be honest with yourself - a lot of people think they're regularly long hauling for 9hrs at a stretch. It's rarely the case.

Would that be okay with normal DC charging? And how long would it take to charge the Taycan at these ports?

Would Tesla chargers still works?


My family live 7 hrs away, so I was thinking of driving there instead of flying when I get the Taycan.?

 

[W1NGE]

Would that be okay with normal DC charging? And how long would it take to charge the Taycan at these ports?

Would Tesla chargers still works?


My family live 7 hrs away, so I was thinking of driving there instead of flying when I get the Taycan.?

350kW EVSEs are rare depending on where you live.

Taycan has 800v native architecture and so can take the max as long as the EVSE is 800v. Anything over 175kW tends to be 800v.

MFG 150kW EVSEs are 800v.

Many others are 400v.

Without the DC booster option you will be limited to 50kW as the onboard 400v DC charger in the car is 50kW. So connecting to a 400v 150kW EVSE will deliver 50kW.

EVSEs are not chargers. Both AC and DC chargers are built into the car.

I have no clue what the Tesla EVSEs are in terms of voltage but if 400v then you will only ever.charge at 50kW unless you have the DC booster option (£300).

Taycan J1.2 does not have this limitation.

 

[MKM]

350kW EVSEs are rare depending on where you live.

Taycan has 800v native architecture and so can take the max as long as the EVSE is 800v. Anything over 175kW tends to be 800v.

MFG 150kW EVSEs are 800v.

Many others are 400v.

Without the DC booster option you will be limited to 50kW as the onboard 400v DC charger in the car is 50kW. So connecting to a 400v 150kW EVSE will deliver 50kW.

EVSEs are not chargers. Both AC and DC chargers are built into the car.

I have no clue what the Tesla EVSEs are in terms of voltage but if 400v then you will only ever.charge at 50kW unless you have the DC booster option (£300).

Taycan J1.2 does not have this limitation.

With the limitation of 50Kw that would mean that charging of taycan would take around 1.5 hrs, and I can't charge it 0-80% in 22 minutes as advertised, am I correct?

 

[W1NGE]

With the limitation of 50Kw that would mean that charging of taycan would take around 1.5 hrs, and I can't charge it 0-80% in 22 minutes as advertised, am I correct?

You can if you use an 800v EVSE and it can supply 350kW of which the car can draw 270kW.

Peak charging speed is dependent on many factors - ambient temperature, battery temperature and state of charge (the lower the better). Only lasts for a short while before tailing off to around 125kW before dropping again the closer you get to 100%. You will never get 270kW from 5% to 80% for example.

The stats are correct and don't go thinking otherwise but you need to understand the basics of EV charging and become familiar with the characteristics of the battery.

 

[MKM]

So if I'm keen on On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW as without it charging would be 1.5 hrs, isn't 46,000 miles on a Taycan 2 too much?

 

[W1NGE]

So if I'm keen on On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW as without it charging would be 1.5 hrs, isn't 46,000 miles on a Taycan 2 too much?

Mileage is largely irrelevant. Battery has an 8 year 100K mile warranty.

Before taking the plunge look at where you will regularly charge. If these are 800v EVSEs then there is nothing to worry about.

Charge at home primarily and this debate is over.

 

[MKM]

Mileage is largely irrelevant. Battery has an 8 year 100K mile warranty.

Before taking the plunge look at where you will regularly charge. If these are 800v EVSEs then there is nothing to worry about.

Charge at home primarily and this debate is over.

Unfortunately, I don't have a home charger, I would be doing long trips every now and then in UK, not sure what charger would be available mid journey, and I heard the 800v EVSE is not easy to find in UK.

Taycan 1 I'm anxious about lack of On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW, while Taycan 2 is the milage and how used the interior front seat. I'm not sure if I can easily find cars with these features in white colour that frequently, any advise?

 

[Murph7355]

Unfortunately, I don't have a home charger, I would be doing long trips every now and then in UK, not sure what charger would be available mid journey, and I heard the 800v EVSE is not easy to find in UK.

Taycan 1 I'm anxious about lack of On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW, while Taycan 2 is the milage and how used the interior front seat. I'm not sure if I can easily find cars with these features in white colour that frequently, any advise?

Search the forum. There are dozens, if not hundreds of threads on this sort of thing.

If you don't have a home charger, charging it will be expensive and a grind. Not recommended.

Zapp Map is one of many apps showing you what chargers are where.

Map of electric charging points for electric cars UK: Zapmap

These are all 350kW chargers. Not hard to find. And becoming more prevalent all the time.

 

[MKM]

Search the forum. There are dozens, if not hundreds of threads on this sort of thing.

If you don't have a home charger, charging it will be expensive and a grind. Not recommended.

Zapp Map is one of many apps showing you what chargers are where.

Map of electric charging points for electric cars UK: Zapmap

These are all 350kW chargers. Not hard to find. And becoming more prevalent all the time.

Just to make sure I under stand correctly, if no home charger, you recommend not to buy EV, right?

And these 350KW chargers would still charge a tycan without On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW in less than 30 minutes.

Did I get both points correctly?

 

[W1NGE]

Unfortunately, I don't have a home charger, I would be doing long trips every now and then in UK, not sure what charger would be available mid journey, and I heard the 800v EVSE is not easy to find in UK.

Taycan 1 I'm anxious about lack of On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW, while Taycan 2 is the milage and how used the interior front seat. I'm not sure if I can easily find cars with these features in white colour that frequently, any advise?

That's nonsense.

Many are 800v - MFG, Gridserve, Ionity etc . These aren't chargers!

Skip white..

 

[MKM]

That's nonsense.

Many are 800v - MFG, Gridserve, Ionity etc . These aren't chargers!

Skip white..

Hahaha, easy for you to say, white is my favourite ?

So to make sure I understood right, without On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW, still with 800v, the car would charge as quick as less than 30 min?

And would you buy a car without the On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW?

 

[Murph7355]

Just to make sure I under stand correctly, if no home charger, you recommend not to buy EV, right?

And these 350KW chargers would still charge a tycan without On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW in less than 30 minutes.

Did I get both points correctly?

Depends on your use cases, but for me I wouldn't.

Public kWh prices are comparable to petrol in a Taycan. The torque and sheer ability of the car make a compelling case. But then they're also expensive with heavy depreciation. And if you're doing a lot of miles, you'll be using public charging a lot.

10%-80% is typically around 25mins IME. And correct, the 150kW charger is not needed for this as you'd need to be at a 350kW stations anyway.

 

[W1NGE]

Hahaha, easy for you to say, white is my favourite ?

So to make sure I understood right, without On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW, still with 800v, the car would charge as quick as less than 30 min?

And would you buy a car without the On-Board DC-Charger with 150 kW?

It is not a charger. It is a voltage booster to take incoming 400v supply and boost to 800v so that the car can be charged at the maximum available. The Taycan is built on 800v architecture and hence the ability to charge quickly using appropriate equipment.

If the battery had 85% charge and you charged at any EVSE that is classed as ultra rapid (175kW+) then thr max you could hope for is 50kW or less (regardless of voltage). Repeat the process with a battery whose state of charge is 5% then you will benefit from higher charging speeds for a period of time which declines significantly as you get to 80%. This type of EVSE is normally 800v and so perfect for the Taycan as no boosting is required. If it were 400v and the car had no DC booster then you will be limited to 50kW.

Factor in the battery temp - if cold then charging takes longer. Optimum is around 32C (can be achieved with preconditioning the battery using NAV some miles prior to arrival at the EVSE (add as a stopover to trigger preconditioning).

I don't think you appreciate how batteries manage the charging process and in particular on J1.1 Taycans you can ignore the max power rating as you will rarely consume that amount for any length of time.

At this point I would not purchase a J1.1 at all and if I did not have home charging I wouldn't purchase an EV.

DYOR in terms of charging stations and if they typically meet the criteria described then you will be fine with or without the DC booster. Personally, all other things being equal it would be shortsighted to not have the DC booster if only to remove the guess work and associated anxiety without it.

BTW I think Tesla Superchargers are 400v, but being upgraded in time to 800v.

Sponsored