POLL - How much would you pay for Porsche Connect

[whitex]

No, but actually they do.

What I am saying is, they tried to brick their phones, aka reduce the output of the battery as the battery was degarding too quickly, instead of replacing the batteries. And EU sued them for breaking the law.

So Posche intentionally removing support for apple car play, android auto, spotify, etc; would also fall under the same law, and would not be allowed.

iPhone 37 will require secure protocols and likely hardware no longer possible to support in current Taycans. No different than you trying to browse today's internet with Windows XP, or connecting to Gmail or Outlook.com using MS Office 2013. I suspect iPhone 6 today will not even connect to wireless CarPlay on 2026 Taycan already.

The battery degradation issue has many more levels of depth that is way out of scope of this forum. I've worked on mobile devices (not Apple) and their battery life for over a decade, so I can tell you it was not planned obsolescence, even if the general public believed it.

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[chun]

iPhone 37 will require secure protocols and likely hardware no longer possible to support in current Taycans. No different than you trying to browse today's internet with Windows XP, or connecting to Gmail or Outlook.com using MS Office 2013. I suspect iPhone 6 today will not even connect to wireless CarPlay on 2026 Taycan already.

The battery degradation issue has many more levels of depth that is way out of scope of this forum. I've worked on mobile devices (not Apple) and their battery life for over a decade, so I can tell you it was not planned obsolescence, even if the general public believed it.

It was proven in court that they intentionally reduced the power output of the battery, as to slow down the battery degradation under extreme temperatures (mostly cold). So I don't say it was planned obsolesce, I am saying what the court said, they made their device worse intentionally as to avoid a "recall".

I gave examples like 2097, or iPhone 37, just as exaggerated examples, which you seemed to have taken quite literally.

My point is, by law, Porsche will be forced to give security patches to the taycan for at least 10-20 years.

The law has not been put to test yet, as corporations like to play ball rather than pay hundreds of millions or billions in fines, but we will see.

You are making a lot of assumptions in the favor of Porsche, but the law will do no such thing.

Anyway, the discussion has derailed quit e a lot. The poll is quite useless at the end of the day, price won't change, and Porsche already realized their "mistake" by bundling it directly in the price - which also forces them to guarantee support for at least 1 decade - different law.

Best play for us drivers of j1 is that when a dealer makes a mistake and offers a new mug or a new pullover or a pen, instead ask for 1 year of connect.

 

[Tpup]

IMO there are two things here. Data connection in the car which in the US adding an apple device to your phone plan is pretty cheap (Watch is $5/mth - Ipad is $20/mth unlimited data) so I'd pay $5-$10 for OTA monitoring and updates. For wifi in the car and the apps I'd pay more but frankly the "value" for me is software updates/OTA monitoring and wifi for the wife/kids; the apps/nav stuff should be free.

I'd bet the way they think about it is they are charging for the data connection and marking it up 2x or more.

 

[violuma]

Cmon, these are simple things to check.

No they aren't, because I filed the privacy opt-out before I took delivery of the car, and I'm not rescinding it.

when you turn privacy on it turns all Google data off; because Google does not work without getting your data.

Technically, this makes no sense to me. All that is necessary to get real-time traffic information is location, not anything that can be tied to a specific individual. So if you're saying Google does this for political/commercial reasons, I guess I can't refute it, but I would like to see some objective evidence that they are doing so.

 

[Murph7355]

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In Europe laws related to cars don’t have a specific lifetime, say 10 years, they are tied to the lifetime of the car, aka as long as it is on the road

It will be very interesting to see that definition of "lifetime" tested in courts.

I'm pretty sure the UK system doesn't consider it the same way you describe.

 

[chun]

It will be very interesting to see that definition of "lifetime" tested in courts.

I'm pretty sure the UK system doesn't consider it the same way you describe.

In Europe the definition is the next paragraph under the law; it’s until the last car is on the road.

 

[whitex]

In Europe the definition is the next paragraph under the law; it’s until the last car is on the road.

If your interpretation of the EU regulation are correct and will not change, i.e. any car manufacturer of a connected car in EU had to continue to develop and deploy security updates to allow the car to stay connected to the internet, then all car companies in EU will either go bankrupt, or move out of EU. Or, there may be great extortion schemes - keep your 2020 Taycan in the garage for 30 years, then get Porsche to pay you $10M to take it off the road if it's one of the last ones (way cheaper than maintaining it). Heck, threaten to keep the darn thing road worthy for 100 years and you might get $100M.

 

[Murph7355]

If your interpretation of the EU regulation are correct and will not change, i.e. any car manufacturer of a connected car in EU had to continue to develop and deploy security updates to allow the car to stay connected to the internet, then all car companies in EU will either go bankrupt, or move out of EU. Or, there may be great extortion schemes - keep your 2020 Taycan in the garage for 30 years, then get Porsche to pay you $10M to take it off the road if it's one of the last ones (way cheaper than maintaining it). Heck, threaten to keep the darn thing road worthy for 100 years and you might get $100M.

Totally agree.

The reality is that will never happen/stand up.

It's typical EU bureaucracy. Sounds lovely in principle. The idealists love it. The idiots in Strasbourg/Brussels congratulate themselves... Then no fecker pays any attention to it as it's practically impossible to meet/police/implement.

 

[whitex]

Totally agree.

The reality is that will never happen/stand up.

It's typical EU bureaucracy. Sounds lovely in principle. The idealists love it. The idiots in Strasbourg/Brussels congratulate themselves... Then no fecker pays any attention to it as it's practically impossible to meet/police/implement.

Well, there might exist one solution - scheduled end-of-life. Officially end-of-life and brick all cars delivered in EU at the end of software support, so around a decade. While this may piss off customers, it might satisfy the letter of EU regulations. On its 10th birthday, the Taycan activates its self-destruct sequence - motors are engaged against each other destroying the gears, ECU's apply 800V to 12V electronics causing them all to burn out circuit boards, the battery discharges itself to true 0% which bricks them permanently, Porsche sends out an offer for towing the junk away and advertisement for a new car. Politicians celebrate that Porsche followed their regulations.

 

[Murph7355]

Do not give them ideas.

 

[chun]

The job of governments it to protect its people, the people that elected them, not companies like in USA

And the job of companies is to find ways to adhere to regulations, put in place to protect customers. If they can’t, then they should indeed go bankrupt.

Governments are for the people. Products are for the people. And the rights are also the people’s

That’s my view on it, and it coincides with the view of most Europeans

 

[Jhenson29]

On its 10th birthday, the Taycan activates its self-destruct sequence

With my luck, I will have just put new tires on the week before it self destructs

Anyway, I was sure I would renew because I used the app so much in the beginning, mainly for charging testing, but I wasn’t really using it anymore by the time it expired and I didn’t end up renewing. Don’t need it; don’t miss it.

Agree with @whitex on points about cost though.

 

[whitex]

With my luck, I will have just put new tires on the week before it self destructs

Only EU cars need to self-destruct for legal reasons. US does not have such harsh demands, at least not yet.

 

[Bognar67]

Seeing this thread I was curious how about my BMW's -much better and wider- Remote Services.
-It is unlimited free ?

 

[afhussain]

I bought my car secondhand and will over 3 years old so I never had Porsche Connect. I rang Porsche to see if they offered a trial period, I was told they don't however, if you do sign up you have 28 days to cancel and get a full refund. So if anyone wants to try it out to see if it worth it for them, this may be a good option.

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