How attractive is the Taycan really to car thieves?

[gusone]

Comfort access is great. I think everyone is a bit too paranoid here. Stick a steering wheel lock on and you'll sleep at night. There's no point having these amazing cars if you are going to treat it like a Ford Model T. Live a little!

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[tigerbalm]

Around its time of release – the Taycan with comfort access optioned – did well to prevent relay attacks when tested by a third-party security organisation:

https://www.thatcham.org/latest-consumer-security-ratings-released/

 

[simcity]

Around its time of release – the Taycan with comfort access optioned – did well to prevent relay attacks when tested by a third-party security organisation:

https://www.thatcham.org/latest-consumer-security-ratings-released/

Jeez. A Disco is ‘superior’ in Thatcham’s view. Wonder how they’d rate a RRS or an Evoque as those things practically walk…

 

[simcity]

Stick a steering wheel lock on and you'll sleep at night

Keys in a (faraday) pouch for me. A Porsche monogrammed one would be nice ?

 

[kempez]

Keys in a (faraday) pouch for me. A Porsche monogrammed one would be nice ?

I keep mine in a faraday box. Do you use a pouch outside of the house?

 

[tchavei]

Around its time of release – the Taycan with comfort access optioned – did well to prevent relay attacks when tested by a third-party security organisation:

https://www.thatcham.org/latest-consumer-security-ratings-released/

I still wonder about the legality of the whole thing.

1. Porsche has a note on their website that they can't assure 100% safety with comfort access

2. They've been shipping comfort access in the last couple of months even if not requested by the client (I would be thrilled if it happened to me because I think it's not worth the 1.3K on a 100K+ car)

3. If one of these cars with "unsolicited" comfort access is stolen with the remote hijacking technique, won't Porsche be legally in trouble as the client (if they somehow don't have full insurance coverage - ok, almost impossible) could argue he didn't want comfort access and they still provided it?

I don't know. Feels fishy to say at best. I don't see Porsche or any manufacturer just giving something for free by mistake while others are paying for the same feature. There's something more behind it. They certainly are doing it on purpose (at least in Europe) for some unknown reason. I hope it's not to beta test the system ?

 

[simcity]

I keep mine in a faraday box. Do you use a pouch outside of the house?

From what I can tell most relay thefts are happening from home....

So use it at home mostly as I figure the car is in the same spot (and relatively) close proximity to the keys. Not that they're kept anywhere near the door (for any dear thieves reading).

So I figure the risk at home is higher than a 'random' if out and about.

 

[kempez]

From what I can tell most relay thefts are happening from home....

So use it at home mostly as I figure the car is in the same spot (and relatively) close proximity to the keys. Not that they're kept anywhere near the door (for any dear thieves reading).

So I figure the risk at home is higher than a 'random' if out and about.

Yeah my thoughts too. Mine aren't near the front door either.

I keep looking for a well designed, very secure key safe that will bolt into the wall/floor and that has RF protection and fingerprint opening. Not found a decent looking one yet

 

[simcity]

Yeah my thoughts too. Mine aren't near the front door either.

I keep looking for a well designed, very secure key safe that will bolt into the wall/floor and that has RF protection and fingerprint opening. Not found a decent looking one yet

Nah, unfortunately they're all horrible looking things that wouldn't look out of place at a car rental place.

 

[M3Taycan]

I am aware of 2 being stolen
1 on here taken from the dealers (US).
This one on YT - which the thieves don't seem to know how to drive

They probably cloned the fab. Then created a new fab, then open the door, then drove the car away.

Here is a link: https://maxmobileandgifts.com/how-to-copy-rfid-key-fob-to-iphone-and-android/#:~:text=If you have an iPhone,vehicles, and other secure areas.

Store your car fob in a fayrady bag (you can buy one from Amazon ~$10) or aluminum foil, to prevent scanning your car fob.

Here is additional information based on a search:

Like other keyless-entry vehicles, the Porsche Taycan is vulnerable to "relay attacks" where thieves intercept and amplify the key fob's signal. However, the key fob has built-in protections, and owners can take several preventative measures. [1, 2, 3]

How relay attacks work

• In a relay attack, two thieves work together using signal-boosting devices.
• One thief stands near the car with a transmitter.
• The other stands near the key fob—possibly right outside your home—with a receiver.
• The receiver picks up the fob's low-power signal and relays it to the transmitter near the car.
• The car is fooled into thinking the key fob is nearby and will unlock and start the engine. [1, 4, 5]

Taycan's built-in protections
The Porsche Taycan's key fob is designed to minimize vulnerability to relay attacks.

• Encrypted, time-based tokens: When the car is locked, the fob sends a time-based, cryptographically signed token to the car. This token is useless after a short time, which helps prevent a cloned signal from working later.
• Motion-activated fob: According to Porsche owners, the fob is designed to stop transmitting its signal after it has been stationary for a few minutes. It only reactivates when it detects movement. [1, 6, 7, 8]

How to protect your Taycan from fob scanning
While the Taycan's key fob is more secure than many older keyless systems, these attacks are difficult to mitigate completely with technology alone. The best defense is to combine the car's built-in features with smart habits.

• Disable Comfort Access: If you are especially concerned, the most direct solution is to disable the keyless entry (Comfort Access) feature. This requires you to press a button on the fob to unlock the car, eliminating the signal relay vulnerability.
• Use a Faraday pouch: A Faraday pouch is an inexpensive bag lined with signal-blocking materials. Storing your key fob in one of these pouches when you are not using it will block its signal entirely.
• Store keys away from the car: Keep your key fob as far as possible from your parked vehicle, especially if the car is parked outside near a door or window.
• Disable the fob's signal: Some Porsche key fobs allow you to temporarily disable their wireless signal by pressing a specific button combination. Check your owner's manual for details.
• Use a traditional lock: Consider adding a physical steering wheel lock for an additional layer of visible security. [1, 2, 9, 10, 11]

AI responses may include mistakes.
[1] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/key-fob-cloned-car-broken-into.11981/
[2] https://leicesterautolocksmith.co.uk/best-ways-to-protect-your-car-key-from-being-scanned-or-hacked/
[3] https://www.foxwelldiag.com/blogs/car-diagnostic/safeguard-car-keys-signal
[4] https://www.nav.tv/secure-a-key/porsche
[5] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...the-taycan-really-to-car-thieves.14513/page-5
[6] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/thieves-scoping-taycan.16259/
[7] https://en.porsche-vts.nl/keyless-secure/
[8] https://en.porsche-vts.nl/keyless-secure/
[9] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/dreaded-keyfob-issue.19528/
[10] https://www.ace.aaa.com/insurance/advocacy/keyless-car-theft.html
[11] https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/car-thieves-using-device-to-steal-your-key-fob-signal-then-your-car

 

[Fish Fingers]

They probably cloned the fab. Then created a new fab, then open the door, then drove the car away.

Here is a link: https://maxmobileandgifts.com/how-to-copy-rfid-key-fob-to-iphone-and-android/#:~:text=If you have an iPhone,vehicles, and other secure areas.

Store your car fob in a fayrady bag (you can buy one from Amazon ~$10) or aluminum foil, to prevent scanning your car fob.

Here is additional information based on a search:

Like other keyless-entry vehicles, the Porsche Taycan is vulnerable to "relay attacks" where thieves intercept and amplify the key fob's signal. However, the key fob has built-in protections, and owners can take several preventative measures. [1, 2, 3]

How relay attacks work

• In a relay attack, two thieves work together using signal-boosting devices.
• One thief stands near the car with a transmitter.
• The other stands near the key fob—possibly right outside your home—with a receiver.
• The receiver picks up the fob's low-power signal and relays it to the transmitter near the car.
• The car is fooled into thinking the key fob is nearby and will unlock and start the engine. [1, 4, 5]

Taycan's built-in protections
The Porsche Taycan's key fob is designed to minimize vulnerability to relay attacks.

• Encrypted, time-based tokens: When the car is locked, the fob sends a time-based, cryptographically signed token to the car. This token is useless after a short time, which helps prevent a cloned signal from working later.
• Motion-activated fob: According to Porsche owners, the fob is designed to stop transmitting its signal after it has been stationary for a few minutes. It only reactivates when it detects movement. [1, 6, 7, 8]

How to protect your Taycan from fob scanning
While the Taycan's key fob is more secure than many older keyless systems, these attacks are difficult to mitigate completely with technology alone. The best defense is to combine the car's built-in features with smart habits.

• Disable Comfort Access: If you are especially concerned, the most direct solution is to disable the keyless entry (Comfort Access) feature. This requires you to press a button on the fob to unlock the car, eliminating the signal relay vulnerability.
• Use a Faraday pouch: A Faraday pouch is an inexpensive bag lined with signal-blocking materials. Storing your key fob in one of these pouches when you are not using it will block its signal entirely.
• Store keys away from the car: Keep your key fob as far as possible from your parked vehicle, especially if the car is parked outside near a door or window.
• Disable the fob's signal: Some Porsche key fobs allow you to temporarily disable their wireless signal by pressing a specific button combination. Check your owner's manual for details.
• Use a traditional lock: Consider adding a physical steering wheel lock for an additional layer of visible security. [1, 2, 9, 10, 11]

AI responses may include mistakes.
[1] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/key-fob-cloned-car-broken-into.11981/
[2] https://leicesterautolocksmith.co.uk/best-ways-to-protect-your-car-key-from-being-scanned-or-hacked/
[3] https://www.foxwelldiag.com/blogs/car-diagnostic/safeguard-car-keys-signal
[4] https://www.nav.tv/secure-a-key/porsche
[5] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...the-taycan-really-to-car-thieves.14513/page-5
[6] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/thieves-scoping-taycan.16259/
[7] https://en.porsche-vts.nl/keyless-secure/
[8] https://en.porsche-vts.nl/keyless-secure/
[9] https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/dreaded-keyfob-issue.19528/
[10] https://www.ace.aaa.com/insurance/advocacy/keyless-car-theft.html
[11] https://news4sanantonio.com/news/trouble-shooters/car-thieves-using-device-to-steal-your-key-fob-signal-then-your-car

No, it was a home burglary, the keys were taken (read the title).
It was also over 5 years ago.

 

[M3Taycan]

No, it was a home burglary, the keys were taken (read the title).
It was also over 5 years ago.

OK, Thanks for the update!

 

[mcr21]

JLR products are what’s in demand. Easy to nick, pretty easy to hide, plenty of ‘customers’.

I can’t really see something as connected and traceable as a Taycan being targeted. Not taking any chances however so tracker on and keys kept in RF screened pouches.

if I had an Evoque or RR it would have to be chained down - be it town or country.

Exactly - it would appear that most target "customers" would rather drive a beaten up pink Land Rover than a brand new Turbo GT

 

[BjörnfromHamburg]

On the Taycan fob, press lock and unlock for 1 sec.
It deactivates comfort-access temporarily until one unlocks the next time.

When I travel and do regular stops at resting places, I desctivate confort-access in PCM.
At home, I always press deactivate the fob in the evening.

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