PSCB: Slight scraping sound from front left wheel when in motion

[daveo4EV]

They can choose to do so, but it's not required. The reason they do them together is because the PSCB have an "expiry date" - I believe it was 6 years? Or might have been 4?
And since normally the Taycan barely uses the brakes, then they do both the pads and the discs when the time runs out.

Either way PSCB is a disaster. Go steel or PCCB IMO.

pads not rotors - rotors do not age “out”

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[DerekS]

Either way PSCB is a disaster. Go steel or PCCB IMO.

I had them on my 2021 base, I wasn’t thrilled to see them on this car TBH.
I recall a few scary braking incidents on the 21, and in general the exorbitant cost of the consumables is not great.

I liked the steel brakes on the 23 just fine.

Is it possible to just “downgrade” to steel brakes once this new set of PSCBs is done for?
Any coding changes needed?

 

[daveo4EV]

I had them on my 2021 base, I wasn’t thrilled to see them on this car TBH.
I recall a few scary braking incidents on the 21, and in general the exorbitant cost of the consumables is not great.

I liked the steel brakes on the 23 just fine.

Is it possible to just “downgrade” to steel brakes once this new set of PSCBs is done for?
Any coding changes needed?

no code changes required for brakes

 

[prj]

I had them on my 2021 base, I wasn’t thrilled to see them on this car TBH.
I recall a few scary braking incidents on the 21, and in general the exorbitant cost of the consumables is not great.

I liked the steel brakes on the 23 just fine.

Is it possible to just “downgrade” to steel brakes once this new set of PSCBs is done for?
Any coding changes needed?

You don't need to code anything for sure. I don't know if it's possible to downgrade to steel.
As I said, I have a few part numbers with the correct diameter and thickness, that match the PSCB on the Taycan, they are Panamera discs.
But I don't know if the offset is right and whether the hub is the same.

Need to get them side by side then I will have an answer. Right now there is no aftermarket option for steel brakes apart from also changing the calipers, which is very costly. And then warranty is dodgy - if you just fit discs from a panamera plug and play, then that sounds a lot better to me than messing around with the calipers.

To be honest I don't expect you to have issues with the PSCB unless you track the car.

 

[prj]

pads not rotors - rotors do not age “out”

I thought I read somewhere that both the pads and the rotors have to be replaced at 6 years, but I am not completely sure.

 

[daveo4EV]

I thought I read somewhere that both the pads and the rotors have to be replaced at 6 years, but I am not completely sure.

certainly not PCCB rotors every 6 years ($35k service every 6 years even porsche is not that bold) - 6 years is shelf life for some pad material and given usage and exposure to the elements new pads every 6 years is plausible - i’d reject the rotor swap if i’m only doing pads due to age and not wear

i highly doubt PCSB need replacing due to age but maybe - normal steel and PCCB do NOT need to be replaced due to age - anyone telling you different is simply running g up the bill

 

[daveo4EV]

certainly not PCCB rotors every 6 years ($35k service every 6 years even porsche is not that bold) - 6 years is shelf life for some pad material and given usage and exposure to the elements new pads every 6 years is plausible - i’d reject the rotor swap if i’m only doing pads due to age and not wear

i highly doubt PCSB need replacing due to age but maybe - normal steel and PCCB do NOT need to be replaced due to age - anyone telling you different is simply running g up the bill

here is the official maintenance list for Taycan from PCNA

Porsche Taycan Maintenance Schedule

Every 10,000 Miles / 1 Year

• Tire rotation and tread inspection
• General inspection of vehicle systems

Every 20,000 Miles / 2 Years

• Inspect wiper blades
• Inspect tires & spare wheel
• Inspect headlight adjustment
• Inspect radiators & air intakes (visual inspection for contamination & blockage)
• Inspect brake system (check pads & discs without removing wheels)
• Inspect water drain for charging socket (check for contamination & blockage)
• Inspect brake lines
• Inspect brake hoses
• Inspect drive shafts

Every 40,000 Miles / 4 Years

• Inspect brake system (remove wheels to check pads & discs)
• Inspect underbody panels
• Visual inspection for leaks
• Inspect steering gear
• Inspect tie rod joints
• Inspect axle joints

Every 2 Years (Regardless of Mileage)

• Replace brake fluid with OEM Porsche brake fluid
• Create condition report for long-life guarantee
• Inspect tire sealing compound

If you have any further questions or need assistance scheduling service, please feel free to reach out. We're here to support you."

 

[prj]

certainly not PCCB rotors every 6 years ($35k service every 6 years even porsche is not that bold) - 6 years is shelf life for some pad material and given usage and exposure to the elements new pads every 6 years is plausible - i’d reject the rotor swap if i’m only doing pads due to age and not wear

i highly doubt PCSB need replacing due to age but maybe - normal steel and PCCB do NOT need to be replaced due to age - anyone telling you different is simply running g up the bill

PCCB are considered lifetime for the car. I agree with you also that rotors don't have a shelf life.
PSCB are just a Frankenstein, maybe you have a benefit of them on an ICE car where they reduce brake dust, but on the Taycan where 99% of the normal braking is done by recuperation the brake dust argument is out the window.

 

[chun]

They can choose to do so, but it's not required. The reason they do them together is because the PSCB have an "expiry date" - I believe it was 6 years? Or might have been 4?

No, the pads needs to be replaced every 6years, mandatory, no matter of use - for them to be allowed to "warranty" your car.
The PCSB discs do not - I have confirmed it at 2 dealers in switzerland.

 

[prj]

No, the pads needs to be replaced every 6years, mandatory, no matter of use - for them to be allowed to "warranty" your car.
The PCSB discs do not - I have confirmed it at 2 dealers in switzerland.

Fair enough, in that case that dealer is just scamming clients when they do both.

 

[DerekS]

PCCB are considered lifetime for the car. I agree with you also that rotors don't have a shelf life.
PSCB are just a Frankenstein, maybe you have a benefit of them on an ICE car where they reduce brake dust, but on the Taycan where 99% of the normal braking is done by recuperation the brake dust argument is out the window.

I agree with that, and find it strange that PSCBs are a required option when you get the Mission E wheels.

I had no issues with the steel brakes on the 23, and while my wheels were black so they didn’t show much dust regardless, I really didn’t feel like I was wearing them as I did on a 911.

 

[Scandinavian]

here is the official maintenance list for Taycan from PCNA

Porsche Taycan Maintenance Schedule

Every 10,000 Miles / 1 Year

• Tire rotation and tread inspection
• General inspection of vehicle systems

Every 20,000 Miles / 2 Years

• Inspect wiper blades
• Inspect tires & spare wheel
• Inspect headlight adjustment
• Inspect radiators & air intakes (visual inspection for contamination & blockage)
• Inspect brake system (check pads & discs without removing wheels)
• Inspect water drain for charging socket (check for contamination & blockage)
• Inspect brake lines
• Inspect brake hoses
• Inspect drive shafts

Every 40,000 Miles / 4 Years

• • Inspect brake system (remove wheels to check pads & discs)
  • Inspect underbody panels
  • Visual inspection for leaks
  • Inspect steering gear
  • Inspect tie rod joints
  • Inspect axle joints

Every 2 Years (Regardless of Mileage)

• • Replace brake fluid with OEM Porsche brake fluid
  • Create condition report for long-life guarantee
  • Inspect tire sealing compound

If you have any further questions or need assistance scheduling service, please feel free to reach out. We're here to support you."

Interesting that PCNA recommend tyre rotation? That can not be correct? Haven’t all Taycans got a staggered wheel setup?
Secondly checking the spare tyre? Has anybody got such a thing?

 

[daveo4EV]

Interesting that PCNA recommend tyre rotation? That can not be correct? Haven’t att Taycans got a staggered wheel setup?
Secondly checking the spare tyre? Has anybody got such a thing?

yeah this is directly from PCNA - the same group that had the Taycan listed as a 9.6 kW L2 EV for 3+ years…

 

[AutoX]

Interesting that PCNA recommend tyre rotation? That can not be correct? Haven’t att Taycans got a staggered wheel setup?
Secondly checking the spare tyre? Has anybody got such a thing?

At least they didn't recommend checking the exhaust for leaks.

 

[whitex]

Interesting that PCNA recommend tyre rotation? That can not be correct? Haven’t att Taycans got a staggered wheel setup?
Secondly checking the spare tyre? Has anybody got such a thing?

Maybe by "Tire rotation and tread inspection" they mean "once lifted off the ground, rotate the tire while inspecting the tread"? It is recommended every year, while they only recommend actually removing the wheels every 4 years to inspect the brakes.

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