2027 Taycan Possible Software and Hardware Updates

[DerekS]

Save on plugged-in USB?
I’m not following you
What to save…i’d just like to have normal view of rear camera

I mean use the built-in cams as dashcams.

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[B61]

I see… i didn’t mean dashcam functionalities, just simply normal rear view

 

[Sace]

There was also an article last year that promised "PCM Upgrade" for the MY26 Taycan. It ended up just being a minor software tweak and nothing new on the hardware front. I suspect this will be the same. Since they already have a steering wheel and paddles in the range it should be simple.

My guess is: They quadruple the price of "electric sport sound" and make it "electric sport sound with virtual transmission"

 

[prj]

There was also an article last year that promised "PCM Upgrade" for the MY26 Taycan. It ended up just being a minor software tweak and nothing new on the hardware front. I suspect this will be the same. Since they already have a steering wheel and paddles in the range it should be simple.

My guess is: They quadruple the price of "electric sport sound" and make it "electric sport sound with virtual transmission"

Considering how badly Porsche is doing financially right now (thinking of cutting 1 in 4 jobs in Germany, shutting down charging network in China, reducing dealer count from 150 to 80 in China and so on), I would agree with you.

 

[whitex]

I am surprised Porsche didn't latch on to Google or Apple for car experience solution. Something like Apple CarPlay Ultra could have been Porsche's out. It's not like Porsche infotainment has any edge over any other company (ok, maybe Audi, give my wife drives a Q8 eTron, I can attest that it actually is notably worse UX). Heck, license the UI from Tesla, if that's what it takes. Then over time, when you have money and time, develop your own. But in the meantime, capitalize on the driving dynamics, which is your strength Porsche (though I gotta say, the brake line recall and reading @DerekS experience with a tracked CPO GTS equipped with PSCB's, my belief that "Porsches have best brakes in the industry", which I held for decades, has taken a beating).

 

[Jasper4S]

Do you all really think PCM is that bad? I actually like the simple UI. Has anyone here used the MMI in an e-tron GT? It feels like going back 10 years. It is as old fashioned as PCM 4. The same goes for infotainment systems from brands like Ford or any Stellantis vehicle. Honestly, most of them are pretty bad.

Porsche’s infotainment is simple and to the point. An iPad-like home screen, two-layer apps, and no unnecessary clutter. Simple is exactly what you want in a driver’s car. It’s still great news that Porsche says it’s evolving PCM, even if a lot of that talk is probably just marketing fluff.

And yes, this is coming from me, probably the biggest complainer in the “stuck navigation” thread. UI is a different topic than good support. Porsches problem is support, not UI

 

[whitex]

Do you all really think PCM is that bad? I actually like the simple UI. Has anyone here used the MMI in an e-tron GT? It feels like going back 10 years. It is as old fashioned as PCM 4. The same goes for infotainment systems from brands like Ford or any Stellantis vehicle. Honestly, most of them are pretty bad.

Porsche’s infotainment is simple and to the point. An iPad-like home screen, two-layer apps, and no unnecessary clutter. Simple is exactly what you want in a driver’s car. It’s still great news that Porsche says it’s evolving PCM, even if a lot of that talk is probably just marketing fluff.

And yes, this is coming from me, probably the biggest complainer in the “stuck navigation” thread. UI is a different topic than good support. Porsches problem is support, not UI

Porsche UI is not horrible, it's just outdated (lacking features modern cars have) and unreliable (especially when it comes to connectivity, i.e. app services). You are right, Audi UX is much worse (my wife drives one), but that's no excuse for Porsche. Porsche simply doesn't know how to do modern UI or connected cars. They could learn from the competition, but I suspect they suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome, or they still believe they can put together state of art software hiring a random combination of lowest bidder suppliers.

 

[pjg03d]

Do you all really think PCM is that bad? I actually like the simple UI. Has anyone here used the MMI in an e-tron GT? It feels like going back 10 years. It is as old fashioned as PCM 4. The same goes for infotainment systems from brands like Ford or any Stellantis vehicle. Honestly, most of them are pretty bad.

Porsche’s infotainment is simple and to the point. An iPad-like home screen, two-layer apps, and no unnecessary clutter. Simple is exactly what you want in a driver’s car. It’s still great news that Porsche says it’s evolving PCM, even if a lot of that talk is probably just marketing fluff.

And yes, this is coming from me, probably the biggest complainer in the “stuck navigation” thread. UI is a different topic than good support. Porsches problem is support, not UI

Taycan's UI is fine for me though the lag is annoying and frankly intolerable for a car at this pricepoint. The bugs I have experience with it so far are also pretty obnoxious. I think when people refer to the PCM it is less the UI and more the lack of specific features available in far lesser cars, and/or the constant bugs (camera blackouts, lack of responsiveness, dropped connections etc).

The Macan loaner I had - that UI is egregiously bad. Far, far too busy and unintuitive.

 

[Jasper4S]

Taycan's UI is fine for me though the lag is annoying and frankly intolerable for a car at this pricepoint. The bugs I have experience with it so far are also pretty obnoxious. I think when people refer to the PCM it is less the UI and more the lack of specific features available in far lesser cars, and/or the constant bugs (camera blackouts, lack of responsiveness, dropped connections etc).

The Macan loaner I had - that UI is egregiously bad. Far, far too busy and unintuitive.

For me only pinch to zoom has a lag. Rest is super responsive. I have a MY23, maybe it is different per MY due to hardware upgrades? (Same goes for my 360 camera, it is super good and see everything, but everyone is complaining on this forum).

What are the main missing features according to you? Personally I miss HUD options the most.

I agree with you on the Macan (and new Cayenne too). PCM 6 is pretty clear, the new Android based one feels like MMI with a Porsche skin.

 

[69Mach390]

Do you all really think PCM is that bad? I actually like the simple UI. Has anyone here used the MMI in an e-tron GT? It feels like going back 10 years. It is as old fashioned as PCM 4. The same goes for infotainment systems from brands like Ford or any Stellantis vehicle. Honestly, most of them are pretty bad.

Porsche’s infotainment is simple and to the point. An iPad-like home screen, two-layer apps, and no unnecessary clutter. Simple is exactly what you want in a driver’s car. It’s still great news that Porsche says it’s evolving PCM, even if a lot of that talk is probably just marketing fluff.

And yes, this is coming from me, probably the biggest complainer in the “stuck navigation” thread. UI is a different topic than good support. Porsches problem is support, not UI

It’s that bad.

I have 4 screens (5 if you include HUD) and don’t have basic functions like being able to easily change radio stations or tracks forward and backwards. Or easily seeing multiple radio presets at once. These should be steering wheel functions for the seek buttons (every car since 1995) and easy default display on the radio.
I should be able to still have Navigation large and see what’s playing on the radio.

Tons of wasted space on the air conditioning screen too. Why all the black empty space?

The driver screen you can customize some, but why not fully? Limited options on the left and right. Cant pick two items from either menu.

Plus it’s slow.

People complained about the Mach E UI, but in comparison it was way better. And don’t get me started on how much better the backup and 360 camera on the ford were.

 

[pjg03d]

For me only pinch to zoom has a lag. Rest is super responsive. I have a MY23, maybe it is different per MY due to hardware upgrades? (Same goes for my 360 camera, it is super good and see everything, but everyone is complaining on this forum).

What are the main missing features according to you? Personally I miss HUD options the most.

I agree with you on the Macan (and new Cayenne too). PCM 6 is pretty clear, the new Android based one feels like MMI with a Porsche skin.

My 360cam is fine as long as it doesn't just fail to initialize (has happened a few times). The backup camera took some getting used to and I still dislike it, though it gets the job done. I don't understand why it is so heavily fishbowled. Spotify integration is nice to have but the actual interface leaves a lot to be desired, as well, and it is often just easier to go through my phone via carplay to find what I actually what I want to listen to before leaving my parking spot.

Responsiveness of the PCM feels like operating a gen1 iPhone; there is noticeable lag when dragging through menus with your finger.

None of these are PCM/UI-specific though they tie in to the PCM.

I would have liked to see things like adaptive cruise control as standard. Recording dash and side cams should be standard (or even available, for recording side cameras) in a car at this pricepoint as well - I can't imagine adding in a 2TB SSD, recording software and a basic interface is an insurmountable manufacturing cost on a $100k+ car. Phone as key should be standard.

This is personal preference but I would also prefer Google Maps as a native in-car navigation option; I use google for both personal and business email, doc storage, photos etc and in my wife's Lyriq, map integration is seamless and interacts with the car battery just fine while tying back to our google accounts. Google maps works far better than Porsche's nav system (for me, in the US), voice command is more responsive and less buggy when used both in my wife's car and in the Taycan via CarPlay, etc. Porsche's nav system is borderline unusable at times with voice recognition being very laggy (often have to push the button then wait 5-6 seconds to even input a command) and location requests often require an exact address to find a destination and create a route. Until a recent map update, I couldn't ask it to navigate me to a destination in my town without an exact address, which is kinda nuts. I try to give it a shot when needed but google just does it so much better.

I have never used a HUD but imagine I'd find it useful if it didn't clutter the windshield - same for night vision assist, though don't think either necessarily need to be standard. I have to wonder, as the cost for these technologies continues to get cheaper, what will or won't become a mandatory safety feature on newly manufactured cars in a decade..

 

[DerekS]

But in the meantime, capitalize on the driving dynamics, which is your strength Porsche (though I gotta say, the brake line recall and reading @DerekS experience with a tracked CPO GTS equipped with PSCB's, my belief that "Porsches have best brakes in the industry", which I held for decades, has taken a beating).

I'm still kind of stunned by that whole thing.

- Tracking PSCBs seems super stupid to me, and super expensive.
- Their own guidelines for bedding PSCBs prescribe gentle braking and generous cooldown cycles for 100-200 miles while the pads and rotors get to know each other.

 

[whitex]

I'm still kind of stunned by that whole thing.

- Tracking PSCBs seems super stupid to me, and super expensive.
- Their own guidelines for bedding PSCBs prescribe gentle braking and generous cooldown cycles for 100-200 miles while the pads and rotors get to know each other.

Interesting theory that the damage is due to not breaking-in the brakes during the first 100-200miles. Heck, I planned (and drove) 3,500 miles of driving in the first few days of ownership partially to get the car, and its brakes, broken-in on regular roads (while I get to know the car).

 

[DerekS]

Interesting theory that the damage is due to not breaking-in the brakes during the first 100-200miles. Heck, I planned (and drove) 3,500 miles of driving in the first few days of ownership partially to get the car, and its brakes, broken-in on regular roads (while I get to know the car).

Well the break-in specifically mandates gentle braking with generous cooling periods for the first couple hundred miles. So yeah, pretty sure they went straight to the track and cooked them before the pads and coating had a chance to properly mate.

Since the car only had 105 when it landed at Porsche Ontario, I see no other possible explanation for the catastrophic wear.

I had PSCBs on my 2021 base. I didn't abuse them when new and they were fine until I sold with almost 30K on the clock. Still within spec and performing fine.

That said, I think they are kinda stupid and I'd just as soon have the normal iron brakes next time, purely for replacement cost.

 

[whitex]

Well the break-in specifically mandates gentle braking with generous cooling periods for the first couple hundred miles. So yeah, pretty sure they went straight to the track and cooked them before the pads and coating had a chance to properly mate.

Since the car only had 105 when it landed at Porsche Ontario, I see no other possible explanation for the catastrophic wear.

I had PSCBs on my 2021 base. I didn't abuse them when new and they were fine until I sold with almost 30K on the clock. Still within spec and performing fine.

That said, I think they are kinda stupid and I'd just as soon have the normal iron brakes next time, purely for replacement cost.

Iron brakes being smaller, would have likely cooked faster with the same abuse, but cheaper to replace.

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