Any way to make HOLD function ALWAYS enabled?

[Jenner]

I have searched everywhere so I believe the answer to be no but I figured I'd try a last ditch effort and post on here to see if there is anything aftermarket, or programming with VCDS or something a Porsche tech can do in service to enable hold ALL the time.

I have had it as a toggle on so many cars over the last 10 years and I am so used to it that the combination of the mushy regen brakes and the creep in traffic is driving me crazy. Every other car had it as a button or option you just press and set and its always active. This push the brake and then push some more to hold that only lasts ONCE and then the next stop I have to do it again is so frustrating.

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[Hirschaj]

Hold function is incredibly easy to engage. I’m shocked this is a complaint. I’m not aware of any way to change the default behavior.

 

[Jenner]

Hold function is incredibly easy to engage. I’m shocked this is a complaint. I’m not aware of any way to change the default behavior.

"Incredibly easy" depends on your PoV. To me incredibly easy would be a software toggle select hold or creep and have CONSISTANT behavior all the time. Tesla does it why can't Porsche?

I'd cite my BMWs but they all had physical hold buttons to toggle this feature and my Porsche GT4 had this feature as well so I know Porsche can do it. Since "hold" is available in the first place it's not like I am asking to add a feature that doesn't exist. Only asking a way to change it's behavior to a user toggle rather than a manually repeated process. Options are always nice to have even if you personally don't need or want them others might.

The combination of every single car I've had for at least the past 10 years including our other EV (Telsa) allowing you to just come to a stop and not keep pressure on the brake has built up a muscle memory/expected habit.
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the mushy regen pedal on the Taycan (stops great once I get into the PCCBs but that's not useful in traffic or around town)
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I was in horrible stop and go traffic for 3 hours yesterday and having to manually double press to engage hold over and over got old fast.

The last item is what triggered me to post about and say enough is enough there has to be a way to make this better.

 

[35mphgolf]

"Incredibly easy" depends on your PoV. To me incredibly easy would be a software toggle select hold or creep and have CONSISTANT behavior all the time. Tesla does it why can't Porsche?

I'd cite my BMWs but they all had physical hold buttons to toggle this feature and my Porsche GT4 had this feature as well so I know Porsche can do it. Since "hold" is available in the first place it's not like I am asking to add a feature that doesn't exist. Only asking a way to change it's behavior to a user toggle rather than a manually repeated process. Options are always nice to have even if you personally don't need or want them others might.

The combination of every single car I've had for at least the past 10 years including our other EV (Telsa) allowing you to just come to a stop and not keep pressure on the brake has built up a muscle memory/expected habit.
PLUS
the mushy regen pedal on the Taycan (stops great once I get into the PCCBs but that's not useful in traffic or around town)
PLUS
I was in horrible stop and go traffic for 3 hours yesterday and having to manually double press to engage hold over and over got old fast.

The last item is what triggered me to post about and say enough is enough there has to be a way to make this better.

Completely agree. My Macan is the same way and drives me crazy. Makes absolutely no sense.

Keeping an eye on this thread

 

[tigerbalm]

HOLD is automatically engaged if the vehicle is stopped on an incline and at risk of rolling back. The HOLD function operates on the Taycan – the same way as it does on every other Porsche vehicle – which is a design goal.

Porsche isn't looking to Tesla for feature parity – they are looking across their own range for it.

 

[tigerbalm]

I was in horrible stop and go traffic for 3 hours yesterday and having to manually double press to engage hold over and over got old fast.

Porsche's answer to that is the Traffic Assist mode of ACC with Active Lane Keeping – where it will automatically handle stop/start traffic without having to get involved with any manual braking or steering.

the mushy regen pedal on the Taycan (stops great once I get into the PCCBs but that's not useful in traffic or around town)

You should get that checked out – the blending between regen and physical PCCBs on my car is indistinguishable from each other. Braking systems and performance is one of Porsche's strong suits – so sounds like something is wrong there for you.

 

[Jenner]

You should get that checked out – the blending between regen and physical PCCBs on my car is indistinguishable from each other.

Brake fluid was just flushed/changed on 06/21/23 and I am not the first to complain of this "feature" which seems to affect many Taycans on of the different brake options offered:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...cle-comes-to-a-standstill-july-22-2022.12517/

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...i-die-please-have-my-family-sue-porsche.9048/

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/can-i-trust-the-brakes.10267/

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/strange-braking-issue.4818/

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/softer-brakes-post-update.5563/

as well as others who desire the same no creep:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/softer-brakes-post-update.5563/#post-76813

Just a few examples of what I am talking about. Like I said when I need to stop from a high rate of speed the brakes are there and will put my face through the windshield. It is when the car is at low/slow speeds there will be times when the car is creeping along and you hit the brakes and nothing happens and you feel like you are about to have an accident and get hard on the brakes and jolt the car to a stop. It's not a smooth braking process at all like it should be at low/slow speeds or when creeping along in traffic.

No car ICE or EV I have driven in the past 30 years has ever acted this way on the brakes. It has to be the brake by wire system that is trying to blend regen and physical brakes reacting too slow or having some kind of logic issues. This is why I feel constant and consistent hold behavior would be nice to have to avoid having to go through this jerky braking/panic inducing "not going to stop" feeling during stop and go traffic and is more likely of a feature to be handling with programming via VCDS or at the service department or with an aftermarket mod of some sort than for Porsche to fix the janky brake blending.

One pedal driving would solve this feature as well but I know Porsche won't offer a toggle for that so I'm not asking for something the car doesn't already do. It CAN hold, just looking for an always hold/no creep option.

Braking systems and performance is one of Porsche's strong suits – so sounds like something is wrong there for you.

Yes I know. ALL of my ICE Porsche's from Turbos, GT3 RSs, GT4s over the years be it on steel brakes or PCCBs the braking is the best factory off the lot experience out there. No ICE (Porsche or otherwise) car has has this issue (in my 30 years driving on the street and race track). My Turbo S on PCCBs stops like these ICE models as well when driven hard (it's a little worse due to the Taycan's weight just being honest but its on par) but it does NOT behave like them at slow speeds.

 

[rim23]

It’s just the way it’s implemented. On my previous BMW X5, it was enough to just stop and the hold was engaged. When I drove bmw 3 as a loaner, one had to press the break a bit more AFTER the car was stopped. It works the same way on Taycan - once stopped, press a bit more and the hold will engage. If on a road with incline, hold will be engaged easier (you have to press the break with lighter force).

as you see the implementation varies even within one brand. I remember people complaining about X5 constantly engaging the hold as it was inconvenient to park in a tight place. Disabling that via button was pita for them as you’ll have to enable that back.

 

[Jenner]

It’s just the way it’s implemented. On my previous BMW X5, it was enough to just stop and the hold was engaged.

as you see the implementation varies even within one brand.

That's strange as I had a 2016 X5 M, a 2018 M4 Competition Convertible and a 2020 M8 Competition Convertible and they all behaved identically.

All three had a button just like this (pic is from M8):

And all I had to do is press it once and hold was automatic after coming to a stop every single time, forever (ie even after shutting car off) or until the auto hold button was toggled off again. Would love a software setting identical to this in the Taycan.

Unlike your experience with BMW mine was the same across 4 years and 3 different models so I cannot relate to the varied implementation unless it was because your previous cars were not ///M and all 3 of mine were?

Also I am not sure why everyone wants to tell me hold is hold and to just push the brake twice. I know this already and I don't want that!

I am seeking other solutions ie a software fix via VCDS or a coding setting available from the dealer/service or an aftermarket device or option similar to how you can add an OBD2 dongle that will add night vision during the day or video in motion or other hacks/retro fits. If you have something that works I'd love to hear about it.

 

[DerekS]

This thread is WTF-worthy.

It sounds to me like you want one of those other cars instead.

 

[rim23]

That's strange as I had a 2016 X5 M, a 2018 M4 Competition Convertible and a 2020 M8 Competition Convertible and they all behaved identically.

All three had a button just like this (pic is from M8):

And all I had to do is press it once and hold was automatic after coming to a stop every single time, forever (ie even after shutting car off) or until the auto hold button was toggled off again. Would love a software setting identical to this in the Taycan.

Unlike your experience with BMW mine was the same across 4 years and 3 different models so I cannot relate to the varied implementation unless it was because your previous cars were not ///M and all 3 of mine were?

Also I am not sure why everyone wants to tell me hold is hold and to just push the brake twice. I know this already and I don't want that!

I am seeking other solutions ie a software fix via VCDS or a coding setting available from the dealer/service or an aftermarket device or option similar to how you can add an OBD2 dongle that will add night vision during the day or video in motion or other hacks/retro fits. If you have something that works I'd love to hear about it.

Please read carefully what I said. On X5, if hold was enabled BY A BUTTON, it was ON always. But to engage that, it was enough to JUST stop. Same was with my BMW 7. It WAS different with a bmw 3 loaner I got once - you had to press the break pedal harder (the same way as it is on Porsche).

it was also inconvenient to me when I got my taycan, but I got used to that. You don’t need to push twice - once stopped, push a bit harder and the hold will engage.

 

[Jenner]

Focusing on how it operates on other vehicles is not what my OP was about.

Let's get back on topic. If anyone knows of a solution I'd love to know about it.

 

[rim23]

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my message was that it’s not even the same within one brand.

don’t understand what’s the deal to press the brake a bit harder (you mentioned pressing TWICE, but it’s not necessary. You don’t seem to understand how it operates)? HOLD is always ON, unlike on BMW where there is a button to disable that. In that case, even if you press through the floor, but it won’t engage.

 

[Jenner]

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I don't feel the need to debate with you that auto hold worked identically in the same brand across my 3 different vehicles when I am saying I'd love a similar function or feature in the Taycan. You don't want this feature and that's fine, but myself and others do.

I mentioned how my BWMs or Telsa's don't creep or auto hold as an example of what I am looking for. Getting into the details of how your loaner 330 worked has nothing to do with what I am saying about the Taycan's funky drive by wire regen blended brakes and the way the hold function currently works PER stop (as opposed to always on) so I was trying to get back on topic and AGAIN your post has nothing constructive to add to the topic so why keep posting other than to just derail this thread?

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