Awesome if true

[ovonrein]

@69Mach390 Don't be so dismissive. YASA (Mercedes) are supplying yokeless motors to, inter alia, Ferrari which bolt straight on to the output shaft of the combustion engine. Power to weight ratio very high. DeepDrive does one better (IMO) - yokeless and uses the stator to propel two rotors. Better power to weight still. These things are insanely powerfull, yet when you divide by four corners, you don't need so much power in each corner. So you can probably save some more weight.

Your are of course right on the unsprung mass but consider the upshots. One Chinese manufacturer (I forget which) has presented a vehicle with in-wheel motors that can park perfectly in parallel (by angling the wheels 90 degrees).

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[snstevens]

The donut motor does exist. The solid state battery? Likely nonsense.

Here is the website for the verge motorcycle that uses the solid state battery, and advertises the range of operation from the video above. In the US they have three stores, two in LA and one in Santa Clara. A little far for me to go to verify that they’re using a solid state battery, but I’m gonna take that on faith at this point.

https://www.vergemotorcycles.com/

 

[69Mach390]

Here is the website for the verge motorcycle that uses the solid state battery, and advertises the range of operation from the video above. In the US they have three stores, two in LA and one in Santa Clara. A little far for me to go to verify that they’re using a solid state battery, but I’m gonna take that on faith at this point.

https://www.vergemotorcycles.com/

The bike has been around for a couple of years:
https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/ma...lectric-motorcycle-review-quick-ride-44603878

I’m not seeing where one with the actual solid state battery exists though. I see where they say it’s the first motorcycle you can get with a solid state battery, but the absolute lack of details on the site, even when you try to order one, is suspect.

 

[CrazyINP]

they are close enough to me and I used to be motorcycle guy, so I can swing by to check those in person. I didn't see anywhere on their website talking about solid-state battery being spec'd.

 

[prj]

I particularly like the third-party comments from companies using the Donut motor and battery.

There are no third party companies using the battery. Donut is a subsidiary of Verge.
This is all PR to get funding. Verge is cash flow negative by over 10mm per year and they're running out of money.

Instead of LLM slop better check actual annual reports of the companies ...

 

[snstevens]

There are no third party companies using the battery. Donut is a subsidiary of Verge.
This is all PR to get funding. Verge is cash flow negative by over 10mm per year and they're running out of money.

Instead of LLM slop better check actual annual reports of the companies ...

Speaking of LLMs, you can find numerous examples of AI-related companies running at negative cashflow, and getting money from Nvidia to buy products from Nvidia. Personally, I don't see any problem with Donut and Verge working together closely to bring a new technology to market.

As with all new technology, services, etc., you need to hit critical mass and make money at some point or the companies fail. Should that happen in this case, I suspect someone smart will step in and purchase the Donut IP.

Of course, you are welcome to your opinion that the promise that Verge will sell a 370 mile range electric motorcycles in 2026 is all fake bullshit.

 

[69Mach390]

Speaking of LLMs, you can find numerous examples of AI-related companies running at negative cashflow, and getting money from Nvidia to buy products from Nvidia. Personally, I don't see any problem with Donut and Verge working together closely to bring a new technology to market.

As with all new technology, services, etc., you need to hit critical mass and make money at some point or the companies fail. Should that happen in this case, I suspect someone smart will step in and purchase the Donut IP.

Of course, you are welcome to your opinion that the promise that Verge will sell a 370 mile range electric motorcycles in 2026 is all fake bullshit.

It’s really just hard to believe any comments of one company saying about another when they’re they same company.

3rd party verification would be nice. But reality is that IF they actually had a production ready solid state battery, they wouldn’t be wasting it losing money on an extremely small volume specialty motorcycle.

Instead of losing millions per year they could partner with any major manufacturer and make billions.

So no, we don’t think they’re sitting on the biggest breakthrough in modern car history- a 20 million mile solid state 5 minute fast charging miracle.

 

[prj]

Of course, you are welcome to your opinion that the promise that Verge will sell a 370 mile range electric motorcycles in 2026 is all fake bullshit.

That is just something you made up on the spot, as I've never said that.

I corrected you when you said "third party companies". There are none.

I simply pointed out the facts:
1. Donut is a subsidiary of Verge
2. Verge is cashflow negative and is looking for investment.

But of course in the video they don't say that. There is also zero information in the video beyond hype.

These are facts. Not hopium or copium.
When someone makes outlandish claims, it's up to them to prove them.

Compare it to CATL for example - when they announced the NAXTRA Sodium-Ion battery they already had it independently verified, and had concrete examples and hard information about the cost and the performance.

 

[ze_shark]

Personally, I don't see any problem with Donut and Verge working together closely to bring a new technology to market.

Picking a no-name related party motorcycle application as lighthouse go-to-market would be nobody's first, second or third choice. They have to be doing it because nobody in the auto OEM world would touch them with a ten foot pole.

 

[chun]

CATL is targeting small scale production of solid state batteries in 2027, for testing, and mass production by 2030.

Commercialisation (of solid-state batteries), including supply chain development, is still some distance away.

from CATL CEO

If CATL, who are the market leaders, in innovation and production quantity, being the first to mass production market with preatty much any battery tech, say that it's half a decade away... you better believe that no startup is 5 years ahead of them.

All other companies are doing what CATL themselves are also doing: "we put this laboratory battery in a vehicle, to test it, and it's not production ready."

 

[69Mach390]

Part of the problem with the outlandish claims is that without details, we don’t really know how they’re defining “solid state.”

Example- Stellantis and their “semi-solid state” battery. Does that count?
https://insideevs.com/news/757542/stellantis-factorial-solid-state-ev-battery/

We have also seen very tiny versions of solid state batteries in the past.

The issue is trying to SCALE into a full size car battery size.

My guess for donut is either they have a tiny battery like others or something they’re calling “solid state” that really isn’t truly solid state.

Or they’re full of it.

And large unsubstantiated claims tend to be nonsense. Because if they found the holy grail, they be selling it to the highest bidder, not pleading to randos on YouTube.

 

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[snstevens]

Very interesting, and thanks for posting this. As the speaker says, the next 2-3 months will tell the story.

The title of the thread still seems relevant - “Awesome if true”. Sadly, it may not be true.

 

[ze_shark]

2026 is the year where some people want to believe in magical battery vibe-tech, but question the existence of the 719/983 because the batteries can't possibly exist.

 

[refazi]

Yeah i was excited at first but now looking at the past of the founder and that most people assume it's a capacitor and not a battery it seems like a new scam he pulled off for CES.. so sad these guys still exist to fraud the public and investors.

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