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Newer and first EV owner though a nerd who watches too YT videos to progress up the learning curve.

TLDR; charging speeds are much slower despite preconditioning and arriving at 10-20% SOC since November (i.e., Cooler weather).

350kW EA stations I visit about once a month (it's free) and generally do a charge from 10-20% SOC up to 80%. Would often see 250kW peak (275 my max) and that would often hold past 40%, tail down towards 150kW in the 60% range and really taper off at 80% down to 90kW. I might be slightly off on the curve but the main point is I would sustain over 200kW into the 40-50% SOC and only drop to 100 near 80%.

The last few sessions now that the weather has cooled have been much worse. I have about a 25 min drive to the charger and with preconditioning arriving with a temp in the low 70F range. Yesterday, started at 11% SOC - started at 200kW, ramped to 240kW for a minute or two, then back to 200kW. By 40% dropped to 150kW and by 50% stayed at 100kW. Battery pack temps never reached much above 110F (i.e., no thermal throttling based on my experience - that happens nearer 130F).

Looking for wisdom from the group - did try 3 different chargers, was an empty 6 stall (all 350kW) station that has given me "all the juice" often in the past.

Looking at a longer trip in the coming weeks (~2000 miles round-trip) and if anything can be done at the dealership to check would ideally do that beforehand.
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I see nothing unusual in the patterns that you are describing especially your SoC is not low enough and your batter temp is not high enough from ideal. A couple videos I find very helpful to prove my preference for charging below.

My experience from a recent 1k mile trip in 30F-40F temps convinced me to always check Battery Friendly as the time with it checked is the same as it is without to about 80%-85% but the battery does not get cooked to 130F giving me a turtle. My observation was that if Battery Friendly is OFF you get peak rate for a little while but then it tapers off quickly, where with it ON, the peak is lower but it holds higher charge rate for longer getting you to the same level of charge at the same time. So why would you not use Battery Friendly always is my question, that I saw no benefit but harm to the battery and maxing out the fans as we know are not all that reliable.

Making a point around 6min mark with ON vs. OFF charging time performance.


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I see nothing unusual in the patterns that you are describing especially your SoC is not low enough and your batter temp is not high enough from ideal.
This is what I was saying above - close enough to be receiving better speeds than I received at <20% SOC and temps at 75-105F.

EDIT - Looking closer at the shades of color, it is saying ~95F for peak charging to 50%. Reading the linked article and your post - will try the battery saver option next time...


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This is what I was saying above - close enough to be receiving better speeds than I received at <20% SOC and temps at 75-105F.

EDIT - Looking closer at the shades of color, it is saying ~95F for peak charging to 50%. Reading the linked article and your post - will try the battery saver option next time...


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You are on the right track now. The goal should not be peak charge rate or curve dynamic but how fast are you able to charge to a practical point of SoC before you hit diminishing returns (85% was for me). So next time, get the car into the sweet spot of 95F preheat and low SoC start of <20% but lower is better, then Battery Friendly ON (only way I am charging moving forward to keep the battery 110F max and cooling fans off), then you will get the best time to 85% and at that point you can decide to keep going or take off. Also, remember that past 30 min of EA, you will get charged. 2024 GTS you have sounds awesome, may be share some pictures and collect some data while you are charging on your trip.
 


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Sergey, I did have to charge today - down to Purdue to visit my daughter and even charging at home to 98% wouldn't allow me to make the roundtrip. Stopped at the new Pilot/EV-GO in Remington, IN. Arrived at 21% SOC and Battery at 55F - did have Battery Saver ON and started at 90kW and peaked at 135kW and then started to taper at 50% back down to 120kW and unplugged at 55% SOC. Expensive at $.62/kW and for the first 15 minutes and yielding a differential of 10kW (Charger output vs charge to the battery). Once the battery got to 90F the differential dropped to just a minimal loss of 1-2kW (i.e., typical).

I'll keep playing with Battery Saver ON but definitely my first trip in cold temps. Porsche planner was off by 10% on arrival SOC in both directions. Going to use that as my rough estimate going forward when temps are in the 0-15F range...

This is a 2 year lease to determine if I want to buy (not sure I ever would due to the depreciation) a Taycan and further what features matter to me.

GTS does seem to hit a sweet spot on pricing and performance.
 

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Sergey, I did have to charge today - down to Purdue to visit my daughter and even charging at home to 98% wouldn't allow me to make the roundtrip. Stopped at the new Pilot/EV-GO in Remington, IN. Arrived at 21% SOC and Battery at 55F - did have Battery Saver ON and started at 90kW and peaked at 135kW and then started to taper at 50% back down to 120kW and unplugged at 55% SOC. Expensive at $.62/kW and for the first 15 minutes and yielding a differential of 10kW (Charger output vs charge to the battery). Once the battery got to 90F the differential dropped to just a minimal loss of 1-2kW (i.e., typical).

I'll keep playing with Battery Saver ON but definitely my first trip in cold temps. Porsche planner was off by 10% on arrival SOC in both directions. Going to use that as my rough estimate going forward when temps are in the 0-15F range...

This is a 2 year lease to determine if I want to buy (not sure I ever would due to the depreciation) a Taycan and further what features matter to me.

GTS does seem to hit a sweet spot on pricing and performance.
I'm immune to fast charging per-kWh pricing - once I changed my perspective from considering it paying for "kWh's" vs. paying for "time" - the time it saves is what you're paying for - even though they bill it in terms of kWh's…

10 kWh of power for example (non-fast charging) would be slightly more than 1 hour of charging @ 240V/40 amps, or nearly 2 hours at most public L2 stations (6 kW, 208V@30 amps)

you're not paying for "kWh's" you're paying to save time - and if you get a full 70-80 kWh when road tripping in 45 minutes or less in spring/summer/fall and and it's costs you $27.87 - I simply don't care given that 70-80 kWh in 45 or less saves me 9+ hours…
 

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@g00se, interesting data. I am not sure if Pilot EV-GO is a good station to try my theory out since there is no way to tell what maximum it can deliver to the car in Battery Saver mode vs. EA station. There is a good EA charger in Lafayette that I charged before and it plays nice with Taycan.

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