From J1.I GTS ST to J1.II Turbo CT

[Ipercool]

After three years, I moved from a J1.I GTS ST to a J1.II Turbo CT on October 25th.

The lease was about to expire, and instead of buying the GTS, I returned it and took advantage of this Turbo, which was available for immediate delivery at a very significant discount.

I also did this because it restarts all the warranties and also leaves the ownership tax free (in Italy, for the moment, the ownership tax for BEVs starts after the fifth year).
I had never considered buying a CT, but I have to admit that its particular characteristics make it very suitable for the use I make of it.

The specifications of the Turbo seemed excellent to me, and it resembles a Taycan quite well, which I could have specified.

I've driven the first 1,000 km and am very satisfied. They are two different cars; the Turbo has almost 300 more hp, which you can feel, but it's less extreme than the GTS.

The GTS' suspension setup is different; it's more performance-oriented, while the Turbo is more docile and more of a touring car, but it's obviously very fast.

On the first home charge, it predicted 414 km of range; the GTS never got close to 360 km.

The base height in "Normal" mode is different; the GTS is lower. I prefer the Turbo's setup; being a little taller, the proportions between height and length seem more harmonious.

The Turbo has an 11kW charger, while the GTS had a 22kW one, so charging at home is slower. But considering that the GTS's 22kW unit broke for me, as it has for many others, I hope this one is more reliable.

In any case, I really like the Taycam—every Taycan—and I'm happy to have them.

Among other things, there are few charging stations here, but there are very few BEVs, so paradoxically, the charging-to-vehicle ratio is quite good.

I'll give you more impressions in a few thousand kilometers.

Ciao from Italy.

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[Watchesandburgers]

Does the new car have Active Ride? Any other significant options differences between the cars? What about the sedan versus wagon comparison? Are you using the extra space? Curious to hear your thoughts after 1000km, 2000km, etc.

 

[Rutgergr]

On the first home charge, it predicted 414 km of range; the GTS never got close to 360 km.

Both with Perfomance Battery Plus?

 

[Jasper4S]

Both with Perfomance Battery Plus?

Gts and turbo always have bigger batteries. Only an option for RWD and 4s

 

[W1NGE]

Both with Perfomance Battery Plus?

Standard on both

 

[refazi]

the CT suspension is tuned differently regardless of the motor "trim", and yeah the GTS is more tight then the other trims hence you feel such a big difference.

 

[Ipercool]

Does the new car have Active Ride?

No active ride on the Turbo.
I would have liked it

Any other significant options differences between the cars?

PSCB on the Turbo, standard brakes on the GTS, - PSCB give me a better feeling.
No panoramic roof on the Turbo. Finally I prefer the metal roof with the two ribs.
PDLS Plus on the Turbo, better than the previous version
There are also many other large and small things that have been improved throughout the car.
Overall, the J1.II seems like a significant upgrade over the J1.I. (Yes I know, I just bought it so I have to say this... )
Let's hope it also applies to reliability.
With the GTS ST I have traveled 70,000 km i 3 years.

What about the sedan versus wagon comparison? Are you using the extra space?

Both are wagon.

Curious to hear your thoughts after 1000km, 2000km, etc.

I'll try.

 

[f1eng]

the CT suspension is tuned differently regardless of the motor "trim", and yeah the GTS is more tight then the other trims hence you feel such a big difference.

That is one of the reasons I got the CT rather than GTS, and extra 15mm of bump travel gives a better ride potential, well exploited by the CT programming, and the CT with torque vectoring, rear wheel steer and PDCC handles plenty sportily enough for me.

 

[W1NGE]

No active ride on the Turbo.
I would have liked it



PSCB on the Turbo, standard brakes on the GTS, - PSCB give me a better feeling.
No panoramic roof on the Turbo. Finally I prefer the metal roof with the two ribs.
PDLS Plus on the Turbo, better than the previous version
There are also many other large and small things that have been improved throughout the car.
Overall, the J1.II seems like a significant upgrade over the J1.I. (Yes I know, I just bought it so I have to say this... )
Let's hope it also applies to reliability.
With the GTS ST I have traveled 70,000 km i 3 years.




Both are wagon.



I'll try.

PSCB brakes are the same spec as the standard 4S except for the shiny surface. PCCB (carbon ceramic) are a different beast entirely.

Standard ride height on a CT is 20mm higher than the saloon / ST and the GTS 10mm lower.

GTS also has PTV+ as standard whereas I'm not sure the Turbo does.

Lights - you may have HD Matrix lights which are superior to the standard matrix setup.

Don't forget you have a larger battery, better chemistry and extra range so it should be better. J1.2 GTS would be a better comparison.

 

[Ipercool]

PSCB brakes are the same spec as the standard 4S except for the shiny surface. PCCB (carbon ceramic) are a different beast entirely.

Standard ride height on a CT is 20mm higher than the saloon / ST and the GTS 10mm lower.

GTS also has PTV+ as standard whereas I'm not sure the Turbo does.

Lights - you may have HD Matrix lights which are superior to the standard matrix setup.

Don't forget you have a larger battery, better chemistry and extra range so it should be better. J1.2 GTS would be a better comparison.

Yes, of course I know these things.
In any case, the PSCB provides a better feel; the brakes on the previous Taycan weren't its best feature.

 

[Ipercool]

Uhm... Second charge at home.

 

[W1NGE]

Yes, of course I know these things.
In any case, the PSCB provides a better feel; the brakes on the previous Taycan weren't its best feature.

If you compared the brakes on the same model generation I don't think you would notice (I didnt).

Brake feel was an issue on J1.1 and led to recall work including front brake hose replacements.

Transition to J1.2 and likely there will be a difference in feel.

Brake feel across the different model variants will be a thing by design.

I had PSCB on my GTS primarily for cosmetic reasons as I had RS Spyders. There is no performance advantage eith either standard or PSCB.

 

[prj]

Driving my J1.1 Turbo S with PCCB vs a J1.2 4S with steel brakes back to back there was almost no difference to pedal feel.

I think the PCCB are just a 8k ornament really. Would never option those unless the car came with them. PSCB is the worst of the bunch - delamination issues due to rust and expensive to replace.
Btw the pads cost me 1k to replace on the Turbo S at wholesale prices via the Audi dealer (cracked due to track use). At Porsche it was over 2k.

For the steel brakes there's aftermarket pads and rotors. You can swap all the rotors and pads for <200 EUR, and they are from quality (OE) manufacturers like Delphi and Zimmerman. PSCB is going to cost multiple thousand for rotor + pad swap. Pointless.

You could say brake dust could be an issue - and it is on an ICE car, but the Taycan does so much regen braking that the discs and pads barely get used at all, so the amount of brake dust is miniscule.

 

[BjörnfromHamburg]

But PCCB look gooooooood.

 

[prj]

Maybe, but even for track driving, it is cheaper to change all the rotors and pads on the steel brakes 5+ times than change the pads one time on the PCCB.

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