GTS Ride Quality with or without Active Ride

[RED!]

This thread is about PAR discussion, it does not seem like you have any experience with the system, so there is zero point to continue derailing it. You are not adding anything useful to the discussion.

All the allegations you have made about PAR are incorrect.

I have, I’ve driven it, but I’m going to stop posting because quite frankly I wasn’t expecting anything other than an intelligent discussion, seems we’ve left that a few posts back.

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[f1eng]

@f1eng said they were working on this technology years ago for F1, but was banned.

It won its first race, Monza 1987 with Piquet who went on to be 1987 World Champion.

The next generation had a hydraulic reservoir problem which couldn't be fixed in a timescale to satisfy sponsors and driver with the resources we had at the time so was converted back to passive. It was very frustrating because the sector times were fastest in the field until air got in the oil.

It was resurrected in the early 90s when far more money and people were available.
It was always obviously better but was banned for 1994.

It won the Championships in1987, 1992 and 1993.

By controlling platform height (a F1 car aerodynamics was hyper height and pitch sensitive in the flat bottom period from 1983 until Senna's death) the car could be positioned for maximum downforce in corners with pitch changes for driver's preference of balance, then dropped to stall the diffuser on the straight for less drag.

Initially the driver had controls to adjust his aero balance from the cockpit. Latterly we had a system which knew where the car was on the circuit (before GPS ) so during practice the various settings could be mapped into the controller. Then the driver just drove and the controller did everything.

There remained control in the cockpit for the driver to deal with things like tyre degradation.

 

[SoccerMan94043]

This psychological make up of 911 owners applies to us Taycan owners too (imo). And it would appear, reading between the lines of the video, that those who don't like PAR are control freaks

 

[dcp10]

reading between the lines of the video

Great video - but absolutely atrocious spelling!!!

 

[SoccerMan94043]

For future generations, there is a recent review of the Electric Cayenne comparing the Turbo with the Base, back to back. The Turbo has PAR and he describes the differences.

 

[prj]

For future generations, there is a recent review of the Electric Cayenne comparing the Turbo with the Base, back to back. The Turbo has PAR and he describes the differences.

Yeah, as he says, night and day, you can see even how much less the camera shakes.

 

[Fun TC Driving]

Another review video with comments about PAR ride on the Cayenne EV turbo or not, this one by Nicola Hume @ Electrifying.

 

[RED!]

Yeah, as he says, night and day, you can see even how much less the camera shakes.

I'm curious about this, I hate SUV ride because the suspension setup can never match a sedan or sportscar - this might be a partial solution for the physics.

 

[Fun TC Driving]

Also in this Autogefühl video, Thomas and his wife Lea compare on an off for PAR (also on a Cayenne EV). Their conclusion, starting at roughly 35 minutes in the video, is that the passenger feels better on spirited curvy corners with PAR engaged.

 

[d00d]

Then they felt the base version without PAR was better.

 

[Fun TC Driving]

There was also a Cayenne EV review by CAR Magazine, where at 8:40 in the video its reviewer said he prefers it without PAR, calling it “more organic and authentic without it.“



Is it worth $7,800 USD? Each of us will have to make our own decision but will there be enough customer test vehicles for us to make an informed, personal choice?

 

[prj]

I'm curious about this, I hate SUV ride because the suspension setup can never match a sedan or sportscar - this might be a partial solution for the physics.

I would never get a SUV - I dislike the jacked up seating position and the higher CoG and so on.
Arguably less of an issue on an EV due to the battery pack being very low down, but just not for me.

However, I am sure PAR will significantly reduce the pitching / diving. In the ZF sMotion videos they've fitted it on a VW Touran (which is a people mover), and even that handled very flat, so I guess it can do wonders on any chassis.

 

[RED!]

I would never get a SUV - I dislike the jacked up seating position and the higher CoG and so on.
Arguably less of an issue on an EV due to the battery pack being very low down, but just not for me.

However, I am sure PAR will significantly reduce the pitching / diving. In the ZF sMotion videos they've fitted it on a VW Touran (which is a people mover), and even that handled very flat, so I guess it can do wonders on any chassis.

I agree with you, the physics are the physics but the technology can cheat a bit.
One of the reasons I bought the taycan is the M5 and RS6 weigh almost the same so ultimately there was no advantage of one over the other and I like Porsches, and I wanted novelty... I have to admit I'm having some regrets...

 

[dcp10]

Some quick feedback - more about the steering than the Active Ride (sorry).

I have now been able to drive two J1.2 GTS cars with and without Active Ride.

Both cars had:-

• Rear-axle Steering
• Torque Vectoring

They differed in the tyres:-

Active Ride GTS:-
• Dynamic Package with Pirelli P Zero R Elect tyres;
• Amazing sharp steering.

Standard GTS:-
• Summer tyres (Goodyear Eagle F1 NF1).
• Much-less sharp; not so different to a CT 4S with same tyres IMHO.

At this stage I'm still unsure whether the amazingly-sharp steering of the Active Ride car is due to Active Ride itself, or to the very-firm sidewalls of the Pirelli P Zero R tyres (or both). I'd be keen to get feedback from other drivers exploring other tyre combos. Thanks!

Again, we're talking Gen-2 cars here

 

[dcp10]

…and with regards to ride quality, unfortunately these were on different test routes, so I can't really answer my own question about whether the GTS Active Ride tuning makes the ride firmer or harsher.

The non-Active Ride car rode pretty well. Yes, I could feel the road - in fact, I could feel the painted lane markings as I crossed them - but the car was incredibly sure footed (making me start to question the need for Active Ride at all).

After the test drive I took my current car (Tesla Model S P100D fitted with 21-inch Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres) on the exact same test route, to provide a reference. Frankly, in comparison to the GTS, the Tesla handled like a sack of potatoes :-(

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