Help! Calling ex Tesla Model 3 owners

[Kingske]

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[Bognar67]

Why? If you are going to compare them at all, which I think is silly in the first place, then any option available on the Taycan is a fair comparison. Comparing the best available on both is perfectly fair. Especially when the only thing the two cars have in common is that they are EVs. Even comparing the base RWD Taycan against the base M3 is silly since the base Taycan is twice as expensive as the M3.

I don't know about everyone else, but a Tesla wasn't even on the table when I started looking for a new car and the lack of customization was one of the primary reasons in addition to all of the bad reviews on build quality and handling.

They are two different cars, targeted at different consumers. If cost is a primary concern then the M3P might be very appealing.

Agreed mostly.
Note: when I ordered my M3P Taycan was in a Mission E phase.
That time -in the middle of 2019- M3P was the only option as a performance EV.

Seeing only this forum Taycan has more than enough issues software, recalls mechanical as well, BMS, onboard chargers, app let me not to continue…

 

[gnop1950]

Agreed mostly.
Note: when I ordered my M3P Taycan was in a Mission E phase.
That time -in the middle of 2019- M3P was the only option as a performance EV.

At the price point, the M3P is an outstanding value, I'm not arguing that at all. I have nothing against Tesla and people should always buy whatever vehicle satisfies their needs, and if possible, makes them happy as well. I just find most of the comparisons a bit bewildering considering the major differences.

At any rate, welcome to the Porsche Taycan forum. I'll be much happier when my Taycan arrives, but that is still quite a ways down the road (estimate 04/01/2022).

 

[kort]

At the price point, the M3P is an outstanding value, I'm not arguing that at all. I have nothing against Tesla and people should always buy whatever vehicle satisfies their needs, and if possible, makes them happy as well. I just find most of the comparisons a bit bewildering considering the major differences.

At any rate, welcome to the Porsche Taycan forum. I'll be much happier when my Taycan arrives, but that is still quite a ways down the road (estimate 04/01/2022).

the tesla is a fine car for the average person, the porsche is a great car for a driving enthusiast.
most people cannot get a porsche so they get a model 3.
think of it like gassers, not too many can afford a 911 but many can get a camry and those camry people who are moving to EVs are quite impressed with the model 3 and it's price point.

 

[XLR82XS]

Agreed mostly.
Note: when I ordered my M3P Taycan was in a Mission E phase.
That time -in the middle of 2019- M3P was the only option as a performance EV.

My Tesla was the filler until Taycan was available.

 

[Bognar67]

My Tesla was the filler until Taycan was available.

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[Bognar67]

the tesla is a fine car for the average person, the porsche is a great car for a driving enthusiast.
most people cannot get a porsche so they get a model 3.
think of it like gassers, not too many can afford a 911 but many can get a camry and those camry people who are moving to EVs are quite impressed with the model 3 and it's price point.

In my country average buy on cars is USD3-5k. - I know it is a US forum.

Believe me M3P is a car for performance enthusiast as well. Far from Porsche of course.

 

[gnop1950]

the tesla is a fine car for the average person, the porsche is a great car for a driving enthusiast.
most people cannot get a porsche so they get a model 3.
think of it like gassers, not too many can afford a 911 but many can get a camry and those camry people who are moving to EVs are quite impressed with the model 3 and it's price point.

The Taycan will be my first EV. Back when I was being "practical" I looked at the Toyota Prius Hybrid and then the Prius Prime. I did look at Telsas, but that was a few years ago and even the Tesla charging network wasn't great where I live. Plus they just didn't do it for me.

My family talked me into getting a Porsche, as a retirement gift, since I had always wanted one. The first car on my list was originally a 911. After seeing, and reading about, the Taycan I decided to move into the EV future.

 

[grahamsimmonds]

"Considerably cheaper"

In the UK a M3P is £60,000. That's £7k more than a BMW I4 which is a well-built luxury EV. I think the car has been built down to a price and has no interior to speak of. If it was an ICE it would be worth about £25k max.

I have nothing against the Model 3. In the UK they are the Ford Fiesta of the EV world. There are simply millions of them here which is great and they are very much loved by their owners. I need something a little less "common" that's all.

 

[Bognar67]

"Considerably cheaper"

In the UK a M3P is £60,000. That's £7k more than a BMW I4 which is a well-built luxury EV. I think the car has been built down to a price and has no interior to speak of. If it was an ICE it would be worth about £25k max.

I have nothing against the Model 3. In the UK they are the Ford Fiesta of the EV world. There are simply millions of them here which is great and they are very much loved by their owners. I need something a little less "common" that's all.

This is my way too. My country many steps behind to ??. Tesla is still unique, especially higher trims.
But getting commercialised too, my GTS will arrive just in time.

 

[Jhenson29]

There are simply millions of them here which is great and they are very much loved by their owners. I need something a little less "common" that's all.

I used to think part of my problem with Tesla was how common it was, but when I really thought about it, that wasn’t the problem.

For example, I love Wranglers. I used to have one and I would absolutely get another one if it fit into my life. And…I’d be hard pressed to find a more common car. I probably see a hundred a day.

On the other hand, even if there were very few Teslas on the road (for what ever reason) I still wouldn’t get one.

 

[vmporsche]

I have a Tesla Model 3 performance and i am strongly considering moving to a Taycan RWD or 4S however before i do this i would be really grateful if any ex Tesla Model 3 owners could provide their own insights including any regrets in making a similar move. I have made a list of the key areas that i think i would miss if i left Tesla:

• One pedal driving
• 0-60 3.1s without needing launch control
• Tesla Auto pilot
• Integrated dash cam and sentry mode
• Supercharger network
• Lack of regular servicing requirements
• Tesla app
• Understated looks
• Considerably cheaper

So again any feedback whatsoever would be appreciated : )

Thanks!

I came from a Model 3 Performance to a Taycan 4S; I have a Model Y Performance on order (wasn't available when I got my Model 3). There is no doubt that the Taycan 4S is a much more premium-looking (and feeling) car, and the handling is of course in a different league. However, anything electronic/technology not related to driving is nowhere near as good as Tesla-- on a scale of 1 to 10, Tesla being 10, the Porsche would be a 3 max in my opinion. The Taycan feels bigger, heavier, and slower (off the line) to me, whereas the Model 3 Performance was quick, and better (for me) as a daily driver in a city-- this is my only car, so I'm sure my opinion would be different if it were not, or if I only drove it on the weekend/less frequently. The charging network is painful, coming from Tesla, but it mostly works and it is much faster than Tesla, when it works. Related, the Porsche Taycan estimation for remaining mileage is way, way more accurate than the Tesla. We were always charging with the Tesla, and we don't have that problem at all with the Taycan-- I feel like we get much better range with the Taycan, driving the same.

As I mentioned at the beginning, I have a Model Y on order because I have had several issues with my Taycan, which to date the service center has not been able to resolve after several attempts and many, many days in the service center. I will keep an eye on Porsche, and in particular the upcoming electric Macan, but for now I think Tesla is a better overall experience for me.

 

[riburn3]

OP, your concerns are pretty valid. I am a previous Model S/X owner and currently have a Taycan CT4, Model 3 SR+, and Cayenne E-Hybrid (also owned a Taycan 4S before trading it for the CT4).

Of those 3 in the garage, the Taycan and the Model 3 get by far the most use, and the Cayenne we purchased to be our big family and road trip car mostly sits idle, and we will likely end up selling it while used prices remain so high. With little kids, we discovered EV road trips are a better fit with all the frequent stops.

As other's have mentioned, the regen braking is a preference thing. I really missed it when I first transitioned over to the Taycan, and now I can't stand it and disable it when I drive the Model 3. I live in a hilly part of the Western US, and there's a lot of value in being able to coast.

The Model 3 is the perfect day to day commuter car, it's outrageously practical, still a spirited drive, and the tech features are night and day better than the Taycan. But it looks like a Model 3, which isn't anything great, and the overall build quality is more on par with cars 20k cheaper.

The Taycan on the other hand is just such a polished and premium driving experience. It is stunning to look at, makes the ride quality of the Model 3(or any Tesla) feel like a horse drawn carriage over a dirt road, offers the same EV practicality of every other EV, has an actual use range not too far off to a Model 3, and is a faster road trip car due to the superior charging speeds.

If one can afford a Taycan, I can't recommend it enough. It is absolutely a much better car than a Model 3 (and any other Tesla at that), and is much better for spirited drive's through winding roads and corners. However, if you prioritize straight line acceleration or the Tesla software system as your most important things in your driving experience, you should stay away.

Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions. I'm definitely still a Tesla guy and thoroughly understand the apprehension one might feel when making the switch.

 

[Windpower]

... However, anything electronic/technology not related to driving is nowhere near as good as Tesla
... the Porsche Taycan estimation for remaining mileage is way, way more accurate than the Tesla. We were always charging with the Tesla, and we don't have that problem at with the Taycan-- I feel like we get much better range with the Taycan, driving the same.

I own a Tesla model Y non-performance and my biggest gripe is the range. I bought the car when Tesla advertised 313 miles but on a 100% charge without A/C or heat I might get 270 miles. Otherwise, its a good car. A friend saw my Y and ordered one last June and it was finally delivered last month. I've been helping him navigate through the Tesla menus to get the car setup as he wants. His previous car was a Lexus; his comment about the Y (his first EV): "it has its quirks". I really wish the Y had lived up to its hype.

The net of this is that the two manufacturers, Porsche and Tesla, still have some work to do to make really great cars and to make customers happy. This is not a done deal with either yet. As to which one is better, as they say: "pick your poison".

 

[Bognar67]

I came from a Model 3 Performance to a Taycan 4S; I have a Model Y Performance on order (wasn't available when I got my Model 3). There is no doubt that the Taycan 4S is a much more premium-looking (and feeling) car, and the handling is of course in a different league. However, anything electronic/technology not related to driving is nowhere near as good as Tesla-- on a scale of 1 to 10, Tesla being 10, the Porsche would be a 3 max in my opinion. The Taycan feels bigger, heavier, and slower (off the line) to me, whereas the Model 3 Performance was quick, and better (for me) as a daily driver in a city-- this is my only car, so I'm sure my opinion would be different if it were not, or if I only drove it on the weekend/less frequently. The charging network is painful, coming from Tesla, but it mostly works and it is much faster than Tesla, when it works. Related, the Porsche Taycan estimation for remaining mileage is way, way more accurate than the Tesla. We were always charging with the Tesla, and we don't have that problem at all with the Taycan-- I feel like we get much better range with the Taycan, driving the same.

As I mentioned at the beginning, I have a Model Y on order because I have had several issues with my Taycan, which to date the service center has not been able to resolve after several attempts and many, many days in the service center. I will keep an eye on Porsche, and in particular the upcoming electric Macan, but for now I think Tesla is a better overall experience for me.

Happy to see balanced writing based on experiences both cars not opinions without experience.

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